President Blair

[-:Undertaker:-]

i can't believe you are linking to that website , that is left-wing and pro-eu. contradicts the 'no to european union' bit on your sig. infact, it sort of is against what you are all about. it doesn't want the UK to have these opt-outs, which 'the left' got us.

the torys left those without relevant skills to rot in decaying towns and villages without helping them find new employment or reskill them. they pulled the plug so fast that sparks came out of the socket. it's not even like the people WANTED the tories in, they got 43.5% of the popular vote when they were elected, yet you have the cheek to say that gordon brown is 'unlected.'

If its helping stop Tony Blair then good look to it, i'm against Blair and the European Union and the first step it to stop the Lisbon Treaty and Tony Blair, the second step is to withdraw.

Hang on, why is it that the right-wing papers in this country sell better than the left-wing papers?. Infact the Conservatives got more votes nationally in 1979 than Labour did in 1997, despite a higher population in 1997. As for the elections; Labour only got 43.2% of the vote apparently in the 1997 general election - that is how our electoral system works. People did want the tories in, because they were sick of black outs, trade unions in control of the government and the United Kingdom being named the 'sick man of Europe' - our country had to go to the IMF it was that bad, a country which defeated Hitler and which once had the largest Empire on Earth reduced to shame and defeat by our own politicians - Thatcher fixed that.

Blair will be a great president in the sense he's everything the EU wants - what would be the point in a president who opposes the EU? However, I am not a fan of the EU at all. They put pressure on countries to totally integrate by making mitigated threats suggesting that a nation would collapse economically and socially because the rest of Europe would cut all ties. Essentially the EU is the modern day Napoleon/Habsburg/Soviet Union/Third Reich , all of which were about centralising power in a European superstate.

The last person who nearly became the head of state for the whole of Europe was Adolf Hitler, now Tony Blair is going to get the role Hitler was after, and even then - Hitler was at least elected.

[ifuseekamy]

I guess if Hitler had known all he had to do was tell people the Third Reich was for the greater good of Europe he'd have had more success.

On a serious note, I don't see it as a case of right vs left wing which kind of strays from the argument. The EU is about authoritarian bureaucracy. The cons far, far outweigh any pros. The biggest seems to be the euro-- nice to know the Irish, Spanish and Greek economies are falling faster than ever due to having no control over them.
It's ironic that it is seen as left wing and thus libertarian, despite the fact it is about the removal of personal freedom with ID cards, internet/phonecall monitoring and surveillance as well as the financial strangling of farmers both within the EU and countries in Africa and Asia where the majority earn their living through agriculture, all because of the EU's tariffs and regulations.

[alexxxxx]

If its helping stop Tony Blair then good look to it, i'm against Blair and the European Union and the first step it to stop the Lisbon Treaty and Tony Blair, the second step is to withdraw.

Hang on, why is it that the right-wing papers in this country sell better than the left-wing papers?. Infact the Conservatives got more votes nationally in 1979 than Labour did in 1997, despite a higher population in 1997. As for the elections; Labour only got 43.2% of the vote apparently in the 1997 general election - that is how our electoral system works. People did want the tories in, because they were sick of black outs, trade unions in control of the government and the United Kingdom being named the 'sick man of Europe' - our country had to go to the IMF it was that bad, a country which defeated Hitler and which once had the largest Empire on Earth reduced to shame and defeat by our own politicians - Thatcher fixed that.

ahh yes, but in 1979, the liberal democrat party wasn't formed, so the votes were more polarised. there were only 2million votes different in 1979, whilst in 1997, there were 4million votes difference.

i don't argue against that going to the IMF was bad, nor do I blind my eyes from seeing that there were problems. however, i would say that actually Britain's history is actually quite shameful (before WW2). Why is 'the empire' seen as a symbol of great power and how good we were when actually we were destroying different countries' cultues, land, crops taking their resources etc, ruling them, they had no say. Why is this something to be proud of. No doubt it has attributed to our success today but that doesn't make it right, not now and not then.

The last person who nearly became the head of state for the whole of Europe was Adolf Hitler, now Tony Blair is going to get the role Hitler was after, and even then - Hitler was at least elected.

So Tony's gonna send the Jews to the gas chambers and reserve the right to say who is british and who isn't by their skin colour. Sounds more like Nick Griffin is trying to take Hitler's role. The EU is democratic. If you try to educate yourself on it, maybe you'll understand.

Get a grip on life.

[Fehm]

My honest opinion is that for all british citizens, it could only mean good!

[Describe]

Aww bless him, I hope he gets it.

with a brick in the head..

[Monopoly]

i liked blair.
scottish parliament.

[ifuseekamy]

It's on a more political basis rather than Hitler's ridiculous personal beliefs. His plans for a European superstate and the EU are exactly the same, from having the same currency and a single bank to labour policies. Perhaps it's just a coincidence that the idea of the EU was conceived in Germany during Hitler's reign.
They're undemocratic for a number of reasons, mainly because they have a minority support, which kinda defeats the point of democracy lol. Also they run technocratic regulations without the say so of the people that will be affected.

[Alkaz]

Dissolve the EU and have done with it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

ahh yes, but in 1979, the liberal democrat party wasn't formed, so the votes were more polarised. there were only 2million votes different in 1979, whilst in 1997, there were 4million votes difference.

i don't argue against that going to the IMF was bad, nor do I blind my eyes from seeing that there were problems. however, i would say that actually Britain's history is actually quite shameful (before WW2). Why is 'the empire' seen as a symbol of great power and how good we were when actually we were destroying different countries' cultues, land, crops taking their resources etc, ruling them, they had no say. Why is this something to be proud of. No doubt it has attributed to our success today but that doesn't make it right, not now and not then.


So Tony's gonna send the Jews to the gas chambers and reserve the right to say who is british and who isn't by their skin colour. Sounds more like Nick Griffin is trying to take Hitler's role. The EU is democratic. If you try to educate yourself on it, maybe you'll understand.

Get a grip on life.

The Conservatives were democratically elected in both 1979 and their successive terms in office, to start questioning their election is hypocritical of you, as a European Union supporter as the European Union has not got the guts nor the support to hold a referendum/election over its future. The only people still against the reforms of Thatcher are 'socialists' (dwindling numbers, Labour has all since abandoned most of its socialism) & the subsidised Guardian newspaper which hardly anybody reads.

The British Empire was the best thing that occurred in the modern world; it civilised to a degree a vast majority of nations across the world, created nations which before didn't exist and spread wealth across the world - the British Empire started the industrial revolution and the medical science revolution, if the Empire was never to of existed then then world would be a very different place. I am proud of it, and its a shame you aren't, but then again the left have never been proud of the achievements of this country and would gladly hand over the keys to this country, just as they wanted to cuddle up close to the Soviet Union rather than the United States in the twentith century.

We did not exploit these countrys as you are making out, before we arrived these countrys had no idea of what iron ore was, they had no methods to cultivate crops like we did and they were basically the same as they were thousands of years ago, without us, the majority of these nations would not have populations like they do today, as a country would be unsustainable without the methods we introduced to them.

The political system, you know bloody well I mean that. I did not mention once the ethnic cleansing policy of the Third Reich did I? - no, so why even mention it?

I cannot understand how the European Union is democratic when public opinion appears to be against it across Europe, and the most important point which you and no one else has yet answered to my satisfaction; why will the European Union and the governments of Europe not give the people a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, or even the European Union itself?

Dissolve the EU and have done with it.

It will end eventually as it has no place in Europe, it was never chosen, just as the failed states of the Soviet Union ended as centralisation never worked and will never work, for some it seems, the ruling socialist elite - that message still hasn't sunk in.

[Ramones]

I haven't made anything up about the job he is being offered and I gave my opinion and the news in question, so which part did I make up?

So everyones pretty much arguing about your opinion on what you are assuming blairs powers are going to be. Sounds like a pretty pointless boring left v right debate current affairs thread to me :rolleyes: