President Blair

[-:Undertaker:-]

He's not a socialist, he follows the ideology of democratic socialism and social democracy - both of which is entirely different to socialism, which infact, is better in explaining the regimes of the USSR and China.

If he follows that idealogy, then why has he not been calling for the United Kingdom to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, or even calling on the heads of Europe to let their people decide?

You can call socialism all you want, its still the same failure it has always been and always will be. It is all about power to the state and not the people.

[alexxxxx]

i think he's trying to blur the difference between the state and the people, they shouldn't be different things in principal. The state should be completely representative of the people. unfortunately our draconian voting system means that we get 2 watered down parties begging for power, when really, the best method is for a number of parties who then create coalitions.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i think he's trying to blur the difference between the state and the people, they shouldn't be different things in principal. The state should be completely representative of the people. unfortunately our draconian voting system means that we get 2 watered down parties begging for power, when really, the best method is for a number of parties who then create coalitions.

A too powerful state is socialism, the revolutions of the Russian Empire later the Soviet Union, North Korea and China all claim to of been for the people and by the people, when infact it was the small minority who took power or the idea of a socialist revolution was taken up by the poor, little did they know they would suffer more poverty by supporting these revolutions. As Margaret Thatcher said, when socialists cry power to the people, they really mean power to the state.

The problems of the state being too powerful were apparent in our own country the United Kingdom during the 1970s and is becoming more apparent now. While in the 1970s the problem was state control over industries which ment the whole economy was a quagmire and was just getting more and more stale as the weeks went by, today the problem is civil liberties and the government encroaching on them to an extent in which in some cases, given the world today and this nation being stable, are worse than the Soviet Union and Third Reich.

The state should be more representative of the people, hence why we need more referendums and voting reform so that UKIP and other parties get the seats in parliament they deserve.

[Niall!]

tl;dr

Here's how it is boys. The country is **** now, nothing will change it. Have your petty little arguement and I'll go back to enjoying my completely unaffected life.

[-:Undertaker:-]

tl;dr

Here's how it is boys. The country is **** now, nothing will change it. Have your petty little arguement and I'll go back to enjoying my completely unaffected life.

You are right really, maybe we should all take a leaf out of your book and start playing Pokemon again. :8

[alexxxxx]

A too powerful state is socialism, the revolutions of the Russian Empire later the Soviet Union, North Korea and China all claim to of been for the people and by the people, when infact it was the small minority who took power or the idea of a socialist revolution was taken up by the poor, little did they know they would suffer more poverty by supporting these revolutions. As Margaret Thatcher said, when socialists cry power to the people, they really mean power to the state.

You are so worried about socialism it's like your paranoid. Socialism isn't coming back in the form you think it is. People vote BNP not just because they are racist, but because they have some quite left wing policies. Obviously these would bankrupt the country but it shows the direction that some people would like it to take. I'd say there's a large number of people who favour re-nationalisation of some sectors, ie, gas, water, electricity and public transport as prices have hiked up since the tories started to sell them off. The public transport in my city is almost fully city-owned and it is affordable and value for money, but I see in the town next to me the opposite. It's expensive and there's a near-monopoly. People are fed up that power and gas companies are taking them for a ride in fake markets. People are genuinely worried about the NHS becoming part privatised and some of these schools are becoming privatised too. People prefer state-run monopolies to corporation-run monopolies because there is some accountability. Look at the state of our railways, we pay the most for them (in subsidies and tickets), yet they are some of the slowest, oldest and most inefficient in the EU. However, it's good to see that they are slowly upgrading the tracks, but suprise-suprise, only near london.

The problems of the state being too powerful were apparent in our own country the United Kingdom during the 1970s and is becoming more apparent now. While in the 1970s the problem was state control over industries which ment the whole economy was a quagmire and was just getting more and more stale as the weeks went by, today the problem is civil liberties and the government encroaching on them to an extent in which in some cases, given the world today and this nation being stable, are worse than the Soviet Union and Third Reich.

I agree that in the 70s that the state was obviously taking on too much in failing industries, however, the way the workers were treated was dreadful. Workers needed retraining and new opportunities, which didn't happen. I also agree that civil libs are going down the pan. How the government can say that ID cards will protect us from terrorism is stupid and how they can say that snooping on our emails and text messages will help them too. However, the only party who says they would deal with this issue is the LibDems, who are waning in support right now.

The state should be more representative of the people, hence why we need more referendums and voting reform so that UKIP and other parties get the seats in parliament they deserve.

Rederenda (?) are an awful way of passing laws as they can be swung on lies and biased media, nor are they legally binding and it relies on the public educating themselves on what they are voting for, which I can't say will happen, newspapers will do that for them, both swinging in the left and right way. It underminds parliament and doesn't represent the people. If PR was used instead of FPTP, it would be better for all parties involved.

[Niall!]

You are right really, maybe we should all take a leaf out of your book and start playing Pokemon again. :8

Hell yeah Pokemon party, what's your friend code?

[-:Undertaker:-]

You are so worried about socialism it's like your paranoid. Socialism isn't coming back in the form you think it is. People vote BNP not just because they are racist, but because they have some quite left wing policies. Obviously these would bankrupt the country but it shows the direction that some people would like it to take. I'd say there's a large number of people who favour re-nationalisation of some sectors, ie, gas, water, electricity and public transport as prices have hiked up since the tories started to sell them off. The public transport in my city is almost fully city-owned and it is affordable and value for money, but I see in the town next to me the opposite. It's expensive and there's a near-monopoly. People are fed up that power and gas companies are taking them for a ride in fake markets. People are genuinely worried about the NHS becoming part privatised and some of these schools are becoming privatised too. People prefer state-run monopolies to corporation-run monopolies because there is some accountability. Look at the state of our railways, we pay the most for them (in subsidies and tickets), yet they are some of the slowest, oldest and most inefficient in the EU. However, it's good to see that they are slowly upgrading the tracks, but suprise-suprise, only near london.


I agree that in the 70s that the state was obviously taking on too much in failing industries, however, the way the workers were treated was dreadful. Workers needed retraining and new opportunities, which didn't happen. I also agree that civil libs are going down the pan. How the government can say that ID cards will protect us from terrorism is stupid and how they can say that snooping on our emails and text messages will help them too. However, the only party who says they would deal with this issue is the LibDems, who are waning in support right now.

Rederenda (?) are an awful way of passing laws as they can be swung on lies and biased media, nor are they legally binding and it relies on the public educating themselves on what they are voting for, which I can't say will happen, newspapers will do that for them, both swinging in the left and right way. It underminds parliament and doesn't represent the people. If PR was used instead of FPTP, it would be better for all parties involved.

The prices have only hiked up in the past decade or so because this government has not has the guts nor the balls to stand up to these companies, they have allowed mergers of these companies and foreign takeovers which has given these companies yet more power to push prices up. If they were re-nationalised it would start the same cycle off again which led us to the stage that was the 1970s and the winter of discontent, the government cannnot and should not manage these companies as proven time and time again, this government cannot even have its ministers hide top secret terrorist documents while walking around in Downing Street, let alone manage a sweet shop and a major company is out of the question. Indeed they may be the oldest in the European Union, but considering we pay one of the largest donations/tax to the European Union to pay for other countrys to have their roads/railways and so on built/fixed while our own infastructure is falling apart is yet another reason why the European Union is holding this country back.

The unions treated the workers badly, not the Conservative government. Unemployment is horrible and is horrible under any government, it was a horrible decision to have taken but it was vital. The unions bullied and intimidated those workers who refused to strike, with the famous phrase 'scab' used against them. As for civil liberties, unless Cameron is radical like Thatcher I don't think we will see a revolution in this issue, however under a Conservative government we will see a halt to this, which is better than the present issue. While the Liberal Democrats argue for this, they are also for higher taxation and government with sweeping powers which is not the way forward. This is another reason why I support UKIP more than the Conservatives, because the tories need to be radical otherwise their time in government will be a failure.

People buy media because they agree with it, simple as. If I have to buy a Guardian newspaper or some other left wing newspaper, i'm not suddenly going to change my political stance over an issue. That is egg on the face of the people of this country and is like saying lets keep Labour in office indefinetly because the right wing newspapers in the United Kingdom are the best sellers, therefore any election where Labour would lose would be biased because of the media. Parliament has underminded itself and a referendum would only increase peoples interest in politics, as for undermining parliament and politics, the Labour Party promised a referendum on EU reform yet has gone back on that promise - either we should have referendums on important issues such as the European Union or party manifestos should be made illegal to break once in office.

Hell yeah Pokemon party, what's your friend code?

Good, the Pokemon issue seems to of silenced you yet again.

[LuketheDuke]

at the end of the day you dont know what the Conservatives will do so dont say the tories will end this and that as its likely theyll flip flop on many issues like any government or executive when they win power.

the proof is in the pudding, not the recipe. and does anyone trust Cameron more than they would Gordy? I certainly dont.

[-:Undertaker:-]

at the end of the day you dont know what the Conservatives will do so dont say the tories will end this and that as its likely theyll flip flop on many issues like any government or executive when they win power.

the proof is in the pudding, not the recipe. and does anyone trust Cameron more than they would Gordy? I certainly dont.

I have always said I don't know what sort of Prime Minister David Cameron will be, by using past history and what Conservatism stands for I am make an educated guess what their term in office will be like, Labour have had their chance and they have failed, yet again and will leave office having piled up massive debts for the next government to sort out, just as they did in 1979.

I certainly do trust David Cameron more than the man who sold gold stocks when they were at a twenty five year low causing this country to lose billions upon billions.