Does God Exist?

[GommeInc]

Ok well debate is over for me, its just my word against yours

Ask God to reveal himself to you and he will do so

Peace out.

I've heard people say that in church, as far as I am aware it doesn't solve anything - people just end up believing in a God because they excuse their own line of rational thinking. If something amazing happens in their life, like a child is born, has problems and is healed, they thank God rather than the baby's natural, existent, physical body and it's own healing powers. Or if you make a masterpiece, some people thank God when he has absolutely nothing to do with it and it all comes down to the painter.

I've also heard and read the Bible, it's quite a weird book... But that goes without saying - basically being a Christian makes you less likely to enter the kingdom of heaven, "strangers" (commonly seen as homosexuals, athiest, non-Christians etc etc) are more welcome. The Bible is OK, but it's main downfall are the people reading it. Like reading Harry Potter and making Voldemort seem like a lovely man that did amazing spells when the only information available shows a murderer.

[StickMan]

I dunno... if theres a god.. then he likes to make my life a real ****

[--liger--]

Yes if Course he does and I have enough info to back it up... Lets start with a great man who was before Jesus's time. But he knew Jesus.

His name is none the less Nostradamus.

So if you want to achieve the thing in life known as FAITH! For all you who are scared to click the video link. I challenge you to click this link: http://nostradamus2012.com/about.php

Most likely you wont....but click it. Everyone should.

[Jordy]

I don't believe God exists and I doubt I ever will. However I think religion has excellent concepts and brings out the best in a lot of people, it's claimed it causes most wars which is wrong but I believe if people didn't have faith then the world would be a worse place.

Although I could never dedicate myself to a religion, I would sometimes like to believe in something or have 'Faith', but as an agnostic/atheist I cannot.

[Mentor]

Yes if Course he does and I have enough info to back it up... Lets start with a great man who was before Jesus's time. But he knew Jesus.

His name is none the less Nostradamus.

...
Michel de Nostredame (14 December or 21 December 1503 – 2 July 1566)

The above is called a fact, unfortunately it trumps your "faith" or "belief" due to it being correct, unlike your assertion that Nostredame was someone who was before Jesus's supposed time.

I know the pesky facts may seem annoying to you, but to the rest of us, who live in a land known as reality there quite useful

As is the fact Nostredame's work has supposedly predicted countless apocalypses. So far, as i hope would be obvious, none have actually occurred.

So if you want to achieve the thing in life known as FAITH! For all you who are scared to click the video link. I challenge you to click this link: http://nostradamus2012.com/about.php

Most likely you wont....but click it. Everyone should.

I clicked it, so what? its gives a little background info (less than wikipeida would have provided)
Nostredame is just one of millions of profits, who like the rest of them suffers from his predictions carrying an accuracy rating similar to that of guess work (go figure)

That said, what on earth was your point as i sure missed it? What does this have to do with the existence or non existence of a god?

I don't believe God exists and I doubt I ever will. However I think religion has excellent concepts and brings out the best in a lot of people, it's claimed it causes most wars which is wrong but I believe if people didn't have faith then the world would be a worse place.

Although I could never dedicate myself to a religion, I would sometimes like to believe in something or have 'Faith', but as an agnostic/atheist I cannot.

Resent study s have links country's with a less religious population to having much lower crime rates, and engaging in far less conflict in generally. Equally less religious belief and higher standards of living both correlate, as does the happiness of the population.

So i'd question the word being worse, if people were less religious. I'd say the current evidence actually points to quite the opposite

[GommeInc]

I don't believe God exists and I doubt I ever will. However I think religion has excellent concepts and brings out the best in a lot of people, it's claimed it causes most wars which is wrong but I believe if people didn't have faith then the world would be a worse place.

Although I could never dedicate myself to a religion, I would sometimes like to believe in something or have 'Faith', but as an agnostic/atheist I cannot.

I so wish I could rep you I agree entirely with you, it does have some good qualities which have shaped some nice people in my community. I work in a church and when I've had some sad events in my life, it's reassuring to hear that they "praying about you" - though there are some extremists out there, Christian, Jew, Muslim etc etc, the nice, decent folk who are religious are... well, decent.

Churches and Christians appear to be doing more good than bad in some communities, they bring people together and host some events you wouldn't usually come across - art, photography, coffee mornings, luncheon clubs and flower shows - they're also good places for the elderly to keep themselves busy and active, and they do quite alot for charity indirectly (in some areas, quite alot of the income from the collection goes towards local and national charities for instance). Heck, charity shops get quite alot of their products from churches that have taken on too much stuff, I know for a fact that three churches near me take any extra stuff donated to them to Age Concern and British Heart Foundation!

Without some churches, some communities wouldn't have a place for the elderly and the young to meet up, make friends and keep themselves busy. In a place near me called Great Totham, the churches in that area motivate the elderly and do alot of hardwork in the area for young and old alike, holding exhibitions that show off young artist(s) work, stopping points for bike rides which happen annually and flower arranging that the young and elderly can get involved with (of course, that is seasonal stuff and more of those things happen, weekly lunch and dinner clubs, art clubs, libraries etc and monthly coffee mornings happen for most of the year). In my local village, the churches are raising the money towards a Community Centre because the failure of the area Council can't afford it, not to mention Colchester church communities look after the poor, the elderly and I think they're focusing on doing more for the young.

Quite alot of the North Essex churches the ones keeping it clean I believe... In Tiptree they get groups together to clear up local wildlife areas and run the Parish Councils (Maldon, Great Totham etc) which keep the areas in check with help from Borough Councils (when and if they bother).

In short, I don't really see any problem - religion itself has it's ups and downs, but the bigger picture shows small communities affecting the larger community that surrounds them. Churches keep the elderly motivated (there are alot of lonely, elderly men and women in my area that rely on the church) and look after young children as creches and nurseries in small focus groups on behalf of mums and dads. My church even has a small group called "Happy Bunnies" which is where mums bring in their children and meet other mums and children and have a good time.

There are of course council driven groups, but they only exist in big towns away from what could be considered local communities. So the nearest support groups I think are 9 miles away. Why waste that money and time to go 9 miles away when the closest, small, local one is only a mile and a half from where I am? Not that I'm a child and go to something called Happy Bunnies

[RastaLulz]

Religions were put in place to establish good morals in people, and also to explain the unknown. But now that we know the unknown, that once was religion, we can scientifically prove how we came into existence via evolution, and man has found a way to milk money out of another mans pocket by making them believe in something, and to think that a man magically appeared and created the human race is just silly. Plus the fact that he watches over you, and six billion over people is also insane. Lastly, I'd like to show how easily the human mind can become manipulated, using Scientology as my prime example. Scientology basically states that we're derived from an alien species, and yet people also believe this fairy tale, some man made up over a bar bet.. All in all, religions are myths, but with good morals, and intentions behind them.

[Bun]

religion is a load of bull.







in my opinion of course. :eusa_ange

[//Tom]

If there was a god why would so much crap happen?

[Roboevil]

The existence of God makes no sense to me. I don't see what makes him so special, why doesn't anyone believe in Thor, Zeus, Isis, Quetzacoatl? What makes the Christian God, or Allah so much different?

I think we can all agree that our planet, and our lives are a tiny speck in the Universe. What is god trying to prove by creating us and judging us for heaven? Who is he trying to prove it to--if he's an omnipotent unique being, did he create us for himself? If he did then, for what cause?

What is he trying to hide from us? Why has he set up the world to make it seem so impossible for us to prove that he exists?

I don't like how it seems as though people are making up their own meanings to the Bible. The Bible says god created the universe in 6 days; obviously with science that now sounds ludicrous, so people try to interpret it in their own way by saying it's the 6 time periods in history.
The bible also says to burn witches and stone adulterers, if this is god's word, then why don't Christians do it anymore?
If you're going to be a Christian, take the Bible literally, that was its original intention.

Believing in god is an archaic way of finding the truth of the universe, there is no logic and reason for it. With all the modern day evidence, believing in god should be a last resort.

I cannot find a good argument that proves the existence of god. Religion offers nothing but fictional fairy tales.