Overly Moderated?

[Immenseman]

Interesting viewpoint but in that case why was it posted in feedback? I would suggest because no-one that could moderate feedback was on . Every single person in that thread acknowledged it was a joke? Well I do not believe the majority of members would have seen it as such and I entirely agree with Matt about it. Its no joke and certainly not something to post in feedback. Racism [even as a 'joke' ] is not funny. Jokes about death are not funny either in my opinion but they are allowed in the appropriate forum so thats the mandate I follow.

That's where our viewpoints clash. I'm sure you've re-read through the thread and the people in the thread are clearly joking. For example, I replied with just an image in feedback. I wouldn't do that in a normal constructive thread. Others put "I agree LOL" or similar statements.

It was posted as a joke as I keep reiterating. The joke wouldn't have been half as funny if it was in spam. I think throughout the thread in question it was evident that it wasn't a serious suggestion. I would have thought the majority people would acknowledge and understand that, which was the case.

It wasn't a case of "there are no smods on, post in feedback" it was merely a bit of fun. I don't think it can be taken so seriously when there are campaigns that actually endorse such messages. There are petitions sent to downing street on the situation and such stories make prime time news.

It was fundamentally created to poke fun at people who actually believe in such ridiculous cases. It's beyond me how anyone can possibly think a thread about foreign members of staff can be serious. Clearly people have very different ideas of a joke.

Most of these were reversed after you had pm'd the person concerned to say that they weren't offended - that doesn't mean that the mods made a mistake it means that Habbox has been lenient in reversing them because as the posts stood without a pm from the other member they would not have been reversed. There is a great deal of difference. It also begs the question knowing this why not make sure that the mods know it is a joke between friends? Sometimes I wonder whether it has been done specifically just to wind the mods up. Obviously this is a purely subjective judgment and I could be completely wrong.

From what I can see that isn't the case at all. I have 8 reversed infraction/warnings. Only two of these unless I'm mistaken are for what you said which isn't the "majority" like you said. In fact, it's quite a minority.

Jokes aren't posted to wind the mods up. Jokes are posted because this is a teen forum, I am a teenager and much like within my social group in real life I have a bit of banter with my friends on here and post jokes and create threads to poke a bit of fun occasionally which can be handled by the person it's aimed at. I'd take it on the chin if it was aimed at me. I wouldn't create it to cause offence.

If anything I'd say mods know they're jokes but will pull the trigger anyway. I wouldn't say that for all moderators and I don't want to start singling them out because it isn't needed and isn't beneficial in this thread.

I've just been laughing my way through this thread . WizingWig, to a newer member who has only seen a relatively small proportion of his posts, Jake probably would seem a bit silly at times lol but he is actually a pretty sensible chap when he needs to be and can be very helpful. He's a Habbox Legend fgs! (no really, hover over his rep blocks ). I don't think he can help being funny either; even his serious posts (such as the ones in this thread) never fail to make me lol irl.

Aha. I do try my best, Rob!

I would like to formally apologise to Immenseman, in the understanding that yes I am new, and I am unware of they way he acts normally on the forum,

I was nt so much angry at him, but at the fact he joined in on this "joke".

I accept that he found it funny, and I'm sorry for jumpng down his throat,

it happens the people, or sheep as I once said, have been dealt with,

sorry for calling you a sheep

Lets start fresh lol
Wiz

I respect you for having the guts to create a public apology admitting your wrong-doing. I guarantee you're one of a minority that would do that. I've sure found out people hate to acknowledge they're wrong. Nice that someone else can do it too

[Catzsy]

That's where our viewpoints clash. I'm sure you've re-read through the thread and the people in the thread are clearly joking. For example, I replied with just an image in feedback. I wouldn't do that in a normal constructive thread. Others put "I agree LOL" or similar statements.
It was posted as a joke as I keep reiterating. The joke wouldn't have been half as funny if it was in spam. I think throughout the thread in question it was evident that it wasn't a serious suggestion. I would have thought the majority people would acknowledge and understand that, which was the case.

Well tbh tell me Jake does the the person who created the thread has a history of joking in this area? So to create a basically pointless jokey thread in feedback which is how you describe is okay? Are you saying there is one rule for the rest of the forum but because you guys want to have a 'joke' then it should be allowed? That type of thread isn't allowed in Feeback regardless of what I think about the purpose of it because imo and others it was racist, pure and simple.

It wasn't a case of "there are no smods on, post in feedback" it was merely a bit of fun. I don't think it can be taken so seriously when there are campaigns that actually endorse such messages. There are petitions sent to downing street on the situation and such stories make prime time news.
It was fundamentally created to poke fun at people who actually believe in such ridiculous cases. It's beyond me how anyone can possibly think a thread about foreign members of staff can be serious. Clearly people have very different ideas of a joke.

I don't think you will find much evidence anywhere of foreign workers being told or petitions telling them they cannot work for their companies even in this climate where the depression has fueled racism. Its actually against the law. People do have different ideas on jokes but regardless of that again why would you think it was okay to post a pointless jokey thread in Feedback when its not allowed? We all have to follow the rules on the forum - it's not a case oh it's so and so lets allow them do it for a laugh because that is what spam is for.

From what I can see that isn't the case at all. I have 8 reversed infraction/warnings. Only two of these unless I'm mistaken are for what you said which isn't the "majority" like you said. In fact, it's quite a minority.

Okay these are the numbers since you left the staff as you have brought up the subject.
1 infraction reversed then replaced with a warning
1 infraction reversed
3 reversed because of pms from the other user

So out of the 4 fully reversed 3 were because of pms that otherwise would have stood.

Jokes aren't posted to wind the mods up. Jokes are posted because this is a teen forum, I am a teenager and much like within my social group in real life I have a bit of banter with my friends on here and post jokes and create threads to poke a bit of fun occasionally which can be handled by the person it's aimed at. I'd take it on the chin if it was aimed at me. I wouldn't create it to cause offence.If anything I'd say mods know they're jokes but will pull the trigger anyway. I wouldn't say that for all moderators and I don't want to start singling them out because it isn't needed and isn't beneficial in this thread.

Well nobody is denying it is a teen forum where there are jokes. With respect Jake, everyone winds up everyone else on occasion but the majority do not break the rules doing so and this is the issue. Having banter with friends is one thing but creating threads specifically to poke fun at others is not allowed and I am not sure you would not like having threads aimed at you.

I am not commenting on the mods part of the post because if you have any gripe there you should complain formally to the Forum Manager but what I would say is that every infraction and warning is checked and then double checked if a review is requested so in my view it is quite an equitable system.

I still stand by my view that is shared by Matt the thread was racist but we will agree to diasgree on that however any pointless jokey thread created in feedback will be closed at it always has done. Thanks.

[Plank]

Im unaware of why you are no longer in a managment position in Habbox, or have lost your previous position, But last night was a clear reason why that position is not held by you anymore.

I never took it too serious, Just because it was a joke dosnt make it ok. If I made a thread which was mildy racist, then pass it off as a joke, Does that make it acceptable? Does that make it ok?

And my -rep was infact me expressing my opionion that you are rude, While yours was just "a laugh" to join in with the group. *Removed*Wiz

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please do not rude to others. Thanks

How is saying "Rather like a sheep actually" rude, and bad enough to be removed? I think that is a good example of what the OP is talking about, it just seems like nit picking.

[Catzsy]

How is saying "Rather like a sheep actually" rude, and bad enough to be removed? I think that is a good example of what the OP is talking about, it just seems like nit picking.

Because the person is what aimed at found it insulting and said so in the reply and the person who posted it has had the graciousness to apologise. An edit and pm is not the same as a warning/infraction as it does not show up on the persons profile. We all accept that there are levels of rudeness from mild to completely unacceptable. If it is mildly rude and the person is offended it is removed. I do not see a problem with this and is not an example of what the OP is saying because he is talking about official warnings and infractions.

[Plank]

Because the person is what aimed at found it insulting and said so in the reply and the person who posted it has had the graciousness to apologise. An edit and pm is not the same as a warning/infraction as it does not show up on the persons profile. We all accept that there are levels of rudeness from mild to completely unacceptable. If it is mildly rude and the person is offended it is removed. I do not see a problem with this and is not an example of what the OP is saying because he is talking about official warnings and infractions.

Fair enough, but in regard to 'overly moderated' it seems that compared with past times, I have seen an increase of stuff getting removed from posts across the board. It just seems as though every single detail of every post is analysed, and anything that is barely offensive (maybe to someone living on a secluded island who hasn't seen another person all their life) gets removed.

[Catzsy]

Fair enough, but in regard to 'overly moderated' it seems that compared with past times, I have seen an increase of stuff getting removed from posts across the board. It just seems as though every single detail of every post is analysed, and anything that is barely offensive (maybe to someone living on a secluded island who hasn't seen another person all their life) gets removed.

I think the keyword there is 'offensive' and yes the new intake of moderators has been pretty active so there has been very few complaints that matters havent been dealt with so maybe its a no-win situation here. Either we don't do enough or we do too much? Personally I think the balance now is just about right. If you see any posts that you think have been 'overly moderated' you can report in the same way as rule breaks and it would be looked into.

[Immenseman]

Well tbh tell me Jake does the the person who created the thread has a history of joking in this area? So to create a basically pointless jokey thread in feedback which is how you describe is okay? Are you saying there is one rule for the rest of the forum but because you guys want to have a 'joke' then it should be allowed? That type of thread isn't allowed in Feeback regardless of what I think about the purpose of it because imo and others it was racist, pure and simple.

My posts were aimed at WizingWiz originally who was insulting me for my 1 post (I think) in that thread last night. I didn't expect the thread to stay there, obviously not. I fully expected it to be closed and maybe moved which it was. That doesn't shy away from the fact that the thread was created for and was a joke. Whether you agree with the joke or not is another matter. That comes down to opinion. If you don't think it was a joke which you obviously don't well at least your post certainly implies that then do you think all 15 people or what not who posted in there are racists?

I don't think you will find much evidence anywhere of foreign workers being told or petitions telling them they cannot work for their companies even in this climate where the depression has fueled racism. Its actually against the law. People do have different ideas on jokes but regardless of that again why would you think it was okay to post a pointless jokey thread in Feedback when its not allowed? We all have to follow the rules on the forum - it's not a case oh it's so and so lets allow them do it for a laugh because that is what spam is for.

So you're telling me you've never heard of the numerous campaigns "British Jobs for British Workers"?! They are often on the news and are very controversial. The thread was merely a mimmick at that and taking the mick out of those people who are genuinely that narrow minded to support such movements.

I'm perfectly aware it could have been posted in spam by the user, but it wasn't. The forum rules allow you to deal with that appropriately. So you think the thread was racist but it should have been posted in Spam? I'm pretty sure racism isn't allowed in spam either like Matt rightly said there is no room for racism on HxF.

Okay these are the numbers since you left the staff as you have brought up the subject.
1 infraction reversed then replaced with a warning
1 infraction reversed
3 reversed because of pms from the other user

So out of the 4 fully reversed 3 were because of pms that otherwise would have stood.

My quote with the 8 which you originally replied to was including warnings so I have no idea why you've cut it down to infractions. The fact remains you said a majority of my reversed negative sanctions have been because a member sent a PM informing the moderation department it was in fact a joke. That's 3 out of 8, which isn't even half thus clearly not a majorit

Well nobody is denying it is a teen forum where there are jokes. With respect Jake, everyone winds up everyone else on occasion but the majority do not break the rules doing so and this is the issue. Having banter with friends is one thing but creating threads specifically to poke fun at others is not allowed and I am not sure you would not like having threads aimed at you.

I wouldn't mind having light hearted threads aimed at me like I may create a light hearted thread about a user. Not to offend them but to poke fun and if both parties are content with it then I don't see the issue. I wouldn't do it to someone who was going to kick off about it because that wouldn't be worth it.

It's almost as if I'm being told I can't actually have a joke on the forum. Many jokes revolve around a bit of banter and that is what myself and others have been penalised for, something you wouldn't have been penalised for a while ago.

I still stand by my view that is shared by Matt the thread was racist but we will agree to diasgree on that however any pointless jokey thread created in feedback will be closed at it always has done. Thanks.

If you can't poke fun at such serious situations then everyone will be stuck in the stone age with sober faces! Of course it was the right thing for the thread to be moved but like I said the post you originally quoted me in within this thread wasn't aimed at you but rather someone insulting me for how I got involved, when I only made one or two posts.

The user has since apologised and that has been forgotten as the thread that was posted should be.

[Arch]

Haven't read many of the replies although i do believe the moderation is alot tighter then it has been in awhile although i suppose thats a good thing

[Alkaz]

I think that from like last winter its become very strict but peoples general behaviour and demeanor on the forum has got far worse which has ultimately resulted in harsher and more frequent warnings and infractions. If your sexy then you should be fine.

[Black_Apalachi]

*reads every essay* Jeeze.

So did people (Jake) actually get infracted regarding that thread - is that what this is all about?

Care to elaborate on the petty crimes.

I believe he is referring to things like commenting in the trading section, I think I sent him a PM about this recently.

No I fully accept that was against the rules and was my own fault. I mean for example, I recently posted an alteration and ended the opening post with, "Slate ******es :8" and got a PM for "avoiding the filter" (PLEASE DON'T DO IT NOW I'M OBVIOUSLY ONLY MAKING A POINT lol). Anyway, when I wrote that word, I wasn't intending to avoid the filter, I was intending to write that specific word. I don't know how others perceive it but even if it has derrived from a rude word, I see it as a completly new one which the meaning of has morphed away from being slanderous, much like plenty of words in the English Language today; "gay" or "*****" (e.g. "facebook *****"). I did a whole A-level course on this .

The other instance I had in mind was when I called someone a "loser". Just to form a little bit of context, I didn't write, "you are a loser" but I merely made a one word sentence of it after expressing my disappointment of a pointless negative reputation the user had left me. Of course I am not denying this was techinically an insult aimed at another member and was rude. But as I think Catzsy was mentioning earlier, the other user didn't express any offence to what I had said and to be fair, you would need to pretty messed up to be offended by such a word written by itself.

Besides, if we're not allowed to say the word, filter it.

Because the person is what aimed at found it insulting and said so in the reply and the person who posted it has had the graciousness to apologise. An edit and pm is not the same as a warning/infraction as it does not show up on the persons profile. We all accept that there are levels of rudeness from mild to completely unacceptable. If it is mildly rude and the person is offended it is removed. I do not see a problem with this and is not an example of what the OP is saying because he is talking about official warnings and infractions.

Quick question about warnings. You say those PMs don't show up on profiles? How do you keep track of how many PMs the user has been sent because they usually say, "if it happens again you will be warned then infracted"?