Contraception

[RandomManJay]

i am strongly against abortion.

They put some tweezers up the vagina and crush the skull, killing it.

That, in my view, is inhumane.


However, exceptions should be made, for example, a child that has come from rape, or a child with down syndrome or someone who wouldnt live to an old age.

I've never heard of modern abortion being conducted in such a way, if the fetus hasn't developed they use drugs to cease the creation and inflamation of the womb so it doesn't develop into a fetus, likewise to when the fetus is developing, they use vacuum abortion which removes the same material that provides the growth and stops the fetus from progressing any further. In both procedures, once the fetus has stopped developing, they remove it.

To put it simply, the fetus doesn't experience any pain as it never develops any further, the period to which you are allowed abortion is based on the average progression of the fetus, when the receptors and brain begin to develop is when the fetus is capable of experiencing pain, but whether or not they actually experience it is beside the point, the reason why abortion is allowed up to this time is to ensure that it is as humane as possible, a lifeform can't experience pain if it hasn't developed the receptors yet. Who ever has told you about crushing skulls is incredible sick and knows nothing of modern medicine.

I am for abortion, but I believe that the child does reserve the right if it has a chance, but you have to consider everything; like if the child will have an opportunity to have a decent life or will it be succepable to abuse and neglect, or if the child will endanger the mother's life or will it be severly disabled and unable to live a decent life, or if the mother has been raped or abused in some way which could alter her affection for the child etc. What you have to ask yourself is is it worth keeping the child if you know what life it will have, and ask yourself which is worse, forcing a child through misery or allowing it not to have that life in the first place.

[Black_Apalachi]

[...] However, exceptions should be made, for example, a child that has come from rape, or a child with down syndrome or someone who wouldnt live to an old age.

Why those two? :S I'm sure plenty people with down syndrome live perfectly happy lives. Likewise, those who may not live to an old age could also live a happy life. I'm not sure why you singled out down syndrome anyway, I'm sure there's countless other conditions which you could argue justify abortion but still don't really imo. If I was still religious, I'd probably say it is wrong for us to play God in deciding who lives and who dies but I'm not, so I think it should be based on actual suffering. Anyone who isn't suffering almost constantly, still have the potential to enjoy the life they have.

I also thought what Sarcastix said, and that's also exactly how I feel about the subject. +rep.

[1xBabyCakesx1]

Wait can I please straighten this out. I dont mean I'm really against abortion as in no one should have it. Because babies that have come from rape or that will get a serious disease thatwill put them in pain all their life, I think fair enough.

But what I'm saying is people who treat it as a contraception, people who have unprotected sex and think its ok if I get pregnant I'll just have an abortion, thats what I mean.

[RandomManJay]

Wait can I please straighten this out. I dont mean I'm really against abortion as in no one should have it. Because babies that have come from rape or that will get a serious disease thatwill put them in pain all their life, I think fair enough.

But what I'm saying is people who treat it as a contraception, people who have unprotected sex and think its ok if I get pregnant I'll just have an abortion, thats what I mean.

In that sense it is wrong because that can be prevented in the first place, but this applies to a margin of people such as teenage pregnancies and those without correct sex education. People who are older and are wise enough to use contraception should have more of a right considering they are using it for its true purpose. But the only thing we can do is properly educate these people and provide help such as free contraceptive aids etc. we can just turn around and say 'oh this is your 4th abortion in the last year, I'm afraid you'll have to have this child', because this could cause more problems than solve them. But I do agree that using abortion in this fashion is wrong.

[JACKTARD]

Why those two? :S I'm sure plenty people with down syndrome live perfectly happy lives. Likewise, those who may not live to an old age could also live a happy life. I'm not sure why you singled out down syndrome anyway, I'm sure there's countless other conditions which you could argue justify abortion but still don't really imo.

because down syndrome is probably one of the most famous genetic disorders/diseases, i didnt mean that all down syndrome people should be killed or anything like that :/
They would need full time care (other illnesses also) and it can be alot of strain on the parents, especially if they are not financially well off and cannot afford to stay off work for the amount of time needed and may not also be able to afford a babysitter.

Wait can I please straighten this out. I dont mean I'm really against abortion as in no one should have it. Because babies that have come from rape or that will get a serious disease thatwill put them in pain all their life, I think fair enough.

But what I'm saying is people who treat it as a contraception, people who have unprotected sex and think its ok if I get pregnant I'll just have an abortion, thats what I mean.

what i said???

[Bun]

abortion ftw.

[OllzIsTasty]

Condoms and the Pill are only 99.9% to work. Read it in a sex education leaflet at College a while ago. Though if you need a abortion, you may too. I am against it in a way, but if your under 16, your have to drop out of school. Lose loads of solid times in your education. As we have a recession, it will be hard to find a job also. You don't want to be living on benefits all your life. To the people under age, fgs just use a condom or go on the pill if you want to have sex.

Don't mess up your life and have no grades in school etc. I would rather use a condom than just lose my whole life of having a child. My ex girlfriend wanted a child at 15, I was no. I want to live my life, not have to look after a child for the rest of my life. All my money will go on to the child, though I would want to spend some money on myself. Especially if your underage and the lad is over 16, he could be put away for underage. Would you want that for your boyfriend? If you love him so much?

If you want sex and your underage then use a condom or go on the pill. It's easy go to your NHS Walk-In Centre.

Abortion can be sometimes good or bad, but if you really need it - have it done.

[Grig]

The right of female choice is the way to move in the 21st century. By not allowing abortion we would be moving backwards from the pro choice argument. I'm glad in America Obama supports abortion, whilst MaCain didn't - ironic eh?

[Kardan]

Why those two? :S I'm sure plenty people with down syndrome live perfectly happy lives. Likewise, those who may not live to an old age could also live a happy life. I'm not sure why you singled out down syndrome anyway, I'm sure there's countless other conditions which you could argue justify abortion but still don't really imo. If I was still religious, I'd probably say it is wrong for us to play God in deciding who lives and who dies but I'm not, so I think it should be based on actual suffering. Anyone who isn't suffering almost constantly, still have the potential to enjoy the life they have.

I also thought what Sarcastix said, and that's also exactly how I feel about the subject. +rep.

What he's saying about the down syndrome comment is that if you have a baby with that condition they'll need 24/7 care for the rest of their lives which pratically every teenager would not be prepared for. Have a baby at 16 will be difficult enough, hence why if scans show that the baby has a major disability, some people would have it aborted since they simply wouldn't be able to give it the quality of life it should get.

[Richie]

I'm against abortion however I understand under some circumstances if the person who is pregnant is still in school, well then obviously they can't bring up a child. Use protection, but I do suppose Jesus made the condom split for a reason.