New high-speed rail plan unveiled.

[StefanWolves]

Hitler was elected first time around through bullying tactics and cheating, Hitler then abolished elections which means he wasn't electedand at least Hitler actually gained some support, since when have we ever been asked who we want to be in command of the European Union, let alone if we even want it or if we want it to gather more sovereign powers?.. oh thats right, Ireland, France & the Netherlands all did get asked that last question, and they all said no but it fell on deaf ears (suprise suprise).

If a stable Europe would of prevented World War II, then why now did the European Union fail to avoid the recent financial crisis which could of quite easily of turned into a depression far worse than the one before World War II. The European Union has solved, done, fixed or prevented jack all.

I think the organisation you are looking for is called NATO which protected Europe from the advance of the socialist USSR, not the European Union; and if you think the European Union has prevented Europe going into another World War then you have just been brainwashed by Brussels completely and your assured your place on the EU gravy train.

As for the evidence I never actually said the high speed trains were paid for by the European Union/us, I said it was most likely paid for by us/European Union which in other words means the British taxpayer.



Wow, why does everytime I post in this forum can you not wait to say something like that? (again and again).

Why does every post I have posted on this account and my other account have the same reply posted from you all the time, you're not involved and don't want to be involved I presume, so lets keep it that way?.

in case you aint noticed this is my thread, and it has nothing to do about ukip of any other national parties.

[UKIP]

in case you aint noticed this is my thread, and it has nothing to do about ukip of any other national parties.

I don't remember mentioning UKIP in this thread, infact I dont even think I have; so where are you getting that from?

[StefanWolves]

in case you aint noticed this is my thread, and it has nothing to do about ukip or any other national parties.

Check the bold writing.
Wow, it's gotten the point now, where I need to quote myself??

[GommeInc]

The European Union, simple as that. The French have worked the European Union in a way that it benefits from the EU greatly, particuarly concerning farming so in a way, we have paid for it one way or another.

It wouldn't suprise me if we'd of given them a direct grant to build their railways anyway, we pay for everyone and anything, the exception being ourselves.

One (hopefully) new major line, which is costing a few billion to re-open and make in this country, is paid by the EU. Since finding out that, my view on the EU is a little less critical Though for the sake of argument, it could of been paid for by us if the EU wasn't charging the UK millions each month.

[UKIP]

Check the bold writing.
Wow, it's gotten the point now, where I need to quote myself??

in case you aint noticed this is my thread, and it has nothing to do about ukip of any other national parties.

1. I didn't mention UKIP at all.
2. We haven't been discussing political parties, I have mentioned Labour once I think and thats about it, we're talking about history and international politics, not domestic parties.

One (hopefully) new major line, which is costing a few billion to re-open and make in this country, is paid by the EU. Since finding out that, my view on the EU is a little less critical Though for the sake of argument, it could of been paid for by us if the EU wasn't charging the UK millions each month.

It is like me, giving you £1 to spend on me, but you keeping 50p for yourself and only spending 50p back on me, meaning you've just robbed me blind.

[StefanWolves]

1. I didn't mention UKIP at all.
2. We haven't been discussing political parties, I have mentioned Labour once I think and thats about it, we're talking about history and international politics, not domestic parties.



It is like me, giving you £1 to spend on me, but you keeping 50p for yourself and only spending 50p back on me, meaning you've just robbed me blind.

Why do you have to turn everything into a debate? leading onto an argument?

Anyway, IDC lmao, going bed, ciao.

[UKIP]

Why do you have to turn everything into a debate? leading onto an argument?

Anyway, IDC lmao, going bed, ciao.

Whats wrong with a debate, its not against forum rules therefore i'm entitled to. Afterall it wasn't me who turned it into a debate anyway. It seems like that as soon as alexxx starts discussing his point of view, you cant seem to resist posting pointless comments alongside my side of the discussion, yet when alexxx isn't posting, you dont seem to be interested in doing so then.

[alexxxxx]

Hitler was elected first time around through bullying tactics and cheating, Hitler then abolished elections which means he wasn't electedand at least Hitler actually gained some support, since when have we ever been asked who we want to be in command of the European Union, let alone if we even want it or if we want it to gather more sovereign powers?.. oh thats right, Ireland, France & the Netherlands all did get asked that last question, and they all said no but it fell on deaf ears (suprise suprise).

If a stable Europe would of prevented World War II, then why now did the European Union fail to avoid the recent financial crisis which could of quite easily of turned into a depression far worse than the one before World War II. The European Union has solved, done, fixed or prevented jack all.

I think the organisation you are looking for is called NATO which protected Europe from the advance of the socialist USSR, not the European Union; and if you think the European Union has prevented Europe going into another World War then you have just been brainwashed by Brussels completely and your assured your place on the EU gravy train.

As for the evidence I never actually said the high speed trains were paid for by the European Union/us, I said it was most likely paid for by us/European Union which in other words means the British taxpayer.

Hitler's party was elected more than once and gained more and more power. The European Union has solved countless issues and passed many resolutions that help shape this continent as it is today, a stable democracy. Everything else you say is pure opinion. The European Union was at very little fault to the crisis we just had, it's related to international banks in crisis and it could be argued that the common stance we used helped to cool the crisis and now alot of the member states are out of recession. You can't make claims like 'probably did this.' I could say you probably raped and killed someone last week, but it doesn't make it ok to say that as it wasn't true.

That's the end of it.

[Jordy]

Hitler's party was elected more than once and gained more and more power. The European Union has solved countless issues and passed many resolutions that help shape this continent as it is today, a stable democracy. Everything else you say is pure opinion. The European Union was at very little fault to the crisis we just had, it's related to international banks in crisis and it could be argued that the common stance we used helped to cool the crisis and now alot of the member states are out of recession. You can't make claims like 'probably did this.' I could say you probably raped and killed someone last week, but it doesn't make it ok to say that as it wasn't true.

That's the end of it.

Dan timeout, Jordy in?

Hitler was unelected in his later years it has to be said so he was in no way a legitimate leader of a legitimate democracy. Hence why fascism is strongly linked to Hitler :rolleyes:

What are these countless issues the EU has solved?

It has passed no resolutions to help Europe become a stable democracy. I don't consider Italy a Stable Democracy considering it's riddled with corruption. The EU hasn't stepped in? Infact I haven't even heard the EU comment on the issue. If it helped get rid of corruption in countries then I would agree, it would of contributed to a stable democracy.

Who really made Europe a mostly stable democracy? NATO as previously mentioned, they thankfully stopped any war with the Eastern pack ever happening, not any EU group, they weren't involved in the Cold War at all. The other people we have to thank are the noble servicemen who fought for the Allies in World War II.

We owe these two groups, everything.

[UKIP]

Hitler's party was elected more than once and gained more and more power. The European Union has solved countless issues and passed many resolutions that help shape this continent as it is today, a stable democracy. Everything else you say is pure opinion. The European Union was at very little fault to the crisis we just had, it's related to international banks in crisis and it could be argued that the common stance we used helped to cool the crisis and now alot of the member states are out of recession. You can't make claims like 'probably did this.' I could say you probably raped and killed someone last week, but it doesn't make it ok to say that as it wasn't true.

That's the end of it.

I have to say, at least Adolf Hitler actually won an election, whereas the EU has lost all referendums concerning reformal and refuses to give nations a say on whether or not they even want the European Union.

Oh you're totally right, telling us what light bulbs we can use and how many millimetres wide our apples can be has made the world of difference, and has no doubt averted World War III.