Do You Think Immigrants Should Serve?

[RandomManJay]

These countries dont have the problem we do. Half the reason this has been put forward is because it will reduce the amount of immigrants in the first place. And, to answer your question, if it is for a pernament visa, then yes.

That would take away the reason why people would want to migrate to other countries, so the UK wont receive as many immigrants which does help us considering the issue were facing, but if its was implemented in other countries as well no one would want to migrate from the UK because if they did, they would be forced into the armed forces of that country.

It is a good idea on paper, but the problem wouldn't be so easily dealt with, there are many immigrants who come to the UK because of other reasons such as acceptance and effort for equalising disability etc. and some of the immigrants do actually want to work in this country and do end up in employment. So if it was implemented it would have to work on a basis of age, unemployment (for how long and if they are on the dole etc.), disability, education, training, family, and many other things. It could work, but it would have to be done carefully.

[Alkaz]

Immigration is ridiculous anyway, they should seek asylum or what ever in the first country they come to once leaving there country but no, they travel through 4 or 5 countries to france and then try to get into this country. I heard the other day that its mainly because of the benefits which we all know and because we have no ID cards so they can disappear easily.

It makes me sick, the government needs to sort its own people out first before all the immigrants. Send them packing!

[VirtualG]

That would take away the reason why people would want to migrate to other countries, so the UK wont receive as many immigrants which does help us considering the issue were facing, but if its was implemented in other countries as well no one would want to migrate from the UK because if they did, they would be forced into the armed forces of that country.

It is a good idea on paper, but the problem wouldn't be so easily dealt with, there are many immigrants who come to the UK because of other reasons such as acceptance and effort for equalising disability etc. and some of the immigrants do actually want to work in this country and do end up in employment. So if it was implemented it would have to work on a basis of age, unemployment (for how long and if they are on the dole etc.), disability, education, training, family, and many other things. It could work, but it would have to be done carefully.

Yes! Great points! I think that immigrants shouldn't have to join the arm forces if they are not of age or fit the requirements of their role in the forces. I also think if you have an assured job and stuff then you should be fine. If you are apart of the British commonwealth then you should be able to get a visa without joining the armed forces. Another reason why it would be suppourted is because fighting for a country would make you respect it. Your not gonna try and go no another country knowing that you will have to serve unless you respect it, therefore you wont get these disrecpectful immigrants who come from their country so they (knowingly) can abuse our nice countries and disrespect it...

[adaym]

Erm, no. They should have the choice.

[Immenseman]

I think it's a stupid idea, not just original post but posts within this thread, not all, just some. I think some people are quick to forget that many British people immigrate too and 'take' jobs from the natives. It's ludicrous to suggest they should have to serve or we shouldn't accept immigrants. Just because you live your comfortable life you forget there are millions of people out there with more than valid reasons to want to escape to Britain and other European nations where they're treated as equal, at least by the authorities. We should be proud we people less fortunate than ourselves the chance to start afresh rather than having such negative mentalities.

[alexxxxx]

- Refuse to accept people from the camps on France/on the mainland.

They're illegal immigrants who come over in dodgy lorries. We don't accept them, in fact, the border police work in France to try to make sure they don't even get onto a boat.

- Enforce restrictions concerning education, job, wealth & health like Austrialia has.

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoap...grant#13731176

- Only accept people whos jobs we need (not many at moment considering millions are out of work).

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoap...sskilledworker

- Immigrants have no entitlement to welfare system (including health) until being in work in the United Kingdom for 2 to 5 years.

[/QUOTE]
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/uk...s/publicfunds/ (i know that doesn't include NI, but then if you pay NI, then you should really be eligible for it's benefits, or it isn't Insurance, it's a tax).

[UKIP]

They're illegal immigrants who come over in dodgy lorries. We don't accept them, in fact, the border police work in France to try to make sure they don't even get onto a boat.

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoap...grant#13731176

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoap...sskilledworker

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/uk...s/publicfunds/ (i know that doesn't include NI, but then if you pay NI, then you should really be eligible for it's benefits, or it isn't Insurance, it's a tax).

[/QUOTE]

I don't accept any of it, you and Labour can tell me immigration is controlled but that still doesn't explain how and why we have hundreds of thousands of people here who we dont even know are here, along with the fact why many immigrants travel across the world and a sea, just to come here. ..why? - benefits, its as simple as that.

[alexxxxx]

I don't accept any of it, you and Labour can tell me immigration is controlled but that still doesn't explain how and why we have hundreds of thousands of people here who we dont even know are here, along with the fact why many immigrants travel across the world and a sea, just to come here. ..why? - benefits, its as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

If we don't know that they are here, how can you put a number on it?

And they are clearly the rules, as defined by the relevant departments. Don't accept them, that's fine. You're just wrong.

[UKIP]

I don't accept any of it, you and Labour can tell me immigration is controlled but that still doesn't explain how and why we have hundreds of thousands of people here who we dont even know are here, along with the fact why many immigrants travel across the world and a sea, just to come here. ..why? - benefits, its as simple as that.

If we don't know that they are here, how can you put a number on it?

And they are clearly the rules, as defined by the relevant departments. Don't accept them, that's fine. You're just wrong.[/QUOTE]

Their have been educated guesses from across the board, if Labour knew this was false then they would of said so, but they dont. They are not rules, hence why we wouldn't have uncontrolled immigration to this country. These people do get benefits, this country would not turn someone away whos homeless and just arrived here with no shelter/money; why do you honestley think they travel across 20+ countries and the English Channel to come to the United Kingdom?

..what do people like you not understand, people here do not want uncontrolled immigration & do not want European Union yet you continue to force it down on us.

[LuketheDuke]

If we don't know that they are here, how can you put a number on it?

And they are clearly the rules, as defined by the relevant departments. Don't accept them, that's fine. You're just wrong.

Their have been educated guesses from across the board, if Labour knew this was false then they would of said so, but they dont. They are not rules, hence why we wouldn't have uncontrolled immigration to this country. These people do get benefits, this country would not turn someone away whos homeless and just arrived here with no shelter/money; why do you honestley think they travel across 20+ countries and the English Channel to come to the United Kingdom?

..what do people like you not understand, people here do not want uncontrolled immigration & do not want European Union yet you continue to force it down on us.[/QUOTE]


dont take this discussion off topic with your slanted, angry opinions. this debate is about immigration not the European Union whos regulations have been linked to you but you dont read for some reason.

As for service in the armed forces i dont get it. is it such a good idea when these people might not speak english, are probably malnourished and maybe scarred from acts of extreme violence from their homelands to begin with?