Labour Party Conference 2009

[Misawa]

By actor, I meant that he gave an awful, fake speech, with overexaggerated dramatics. They know they've lost, it's just funny to see them try and inspire others into thinking different.

Brown will go down as being one of the most PMs in British history.

[GommeInc]

American style politics surely isn't that bad, atleast in America people actually care about politics, in the UK no one gives a damn because they're all so boring and similar.

I wouldn't like to say who is to blame for that though. The individual parties, the people, government in general or the media.

[alexxxxx]

I know this is OT: but American Politics is awful. Neither party is particularly great and they are all paid millions of dollars by questionable lobbyists (or pursue personal interests) and it's even more of a 2-party system. It's a personality contest, which is what Sky News/Murdoch want it to be here, something they can sell, market.

The tabloids and newscorp already have a stupidly high influence on british politics.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...de-507354.html

News International is destroying the integrity of all parties and british politics. Not to mind other lobbyists which labour and conservative governments have consulted with in the past. It's disgusting.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I know this is OT: but American Politics is awful. Neither party is particularly great and they are all paid millions of dollars by questionable lobbyists (or pursue personal interests) and it's even more of a 2-party system. It's a personality contest, which is what Sky News/Murdoch want it to be here, something they can sell, market.

The tabloids and newscorp already have a stupidly high influence on british politics.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...de-507354.html

News International is destroying the integrity of all parties and british politics. Not to mind other lobbyists which labour and conservative governments have consulted with in the past. It's disgusting.

The BBC is also biased towards Labour though, the options for left-wing papers are there (Guardian & Mirror) yet the right-wing papers greatly outsell them. You can blame so much on papers and the media, but you cant blame the people for buying them.

[alexxxxx]

The BBC is also biased towards Labour though, the options for left-wing papers are there (Guardian & Mirror) yet the right-wing papers greatly outsell them. You can blame so much on papers and the media, but you cant blame the people for buying them.

The BBC are more biased in some areas than not. The politics editors are quite right wing in my view and aren't particularly critical of the tories. But some other aspects are more favored to the left. It's a balance. When the tories come in there will be accusations from the other side.

I think it's dangerous that a Aussie-turned-american can have such a dominance and play such a part in BRITISH politics in order to sell more. They need to be broken up, but I bet he's put enough cheques in pockets or done enough 'favors' to make sure it doesn't happen.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The BBC are more biased in some areas than not. The politics editors are quite right wing in my view and aren't particularly critical of the tories. But some other aspects are more favored to the left. It's a balance. When the tories come in there will be accusations from the other side.

I think it's dangerous that a Aussie-turned-american can have such a dominance and play such a part in BRITISH politics in order to sell more. They need to be broken up, but I bet he's put enough cheques in pockets or done enough 'favors' to make sure it doesn't happen.

The papers would still be right wing though, cant change what people want and think. The alternatives exist and have existed throughout paper history.

By actor, I meant that he gave an awful, fake speech, with overexaggerated dramatics. They know they've lost, it's just funny to see them try and inspire others into thinking different.

Brown will go down as being one of the most PMs in British history.

I think Gordon Brown & Tony Blair certainly rival James Callagahan for worst Prime Minister in British modern history for sure, maybe even going futher than him because they have done it with such spin and lies its unreal, and the fact remains that even after leaving office they still have good job prospects when it comes to the European Union.

[Immenseman]

is there a date when the election will be yet

[-:Undertaker:-]

is there a date when the election will be yet

It just be held around Spring/Early Summer 2010 at the latest, but no dates have been announced yet. They will probably hold on for as long as possible to secure the Lisbon Treaty because the Polish & Czech Presidents' will only be able to hold off for so long.

[alexxxxx]

The papers would still be right wing though, cant change what people want and think. The alternatives exist and have existed throughout paper history.

It's not about that though. It's not about left or right. The Sun, NOTW have supposedly supported Labour and the Times/S Times follows suit. ITV and Sky are both news international owned. All these large british institutions are under control of people with more than one interest. When there is a near monopoly or oligopoly in the news sense, real choice is limited.

The Barclay brothers are another set of people with high influence with fingers in many pies. DMGT own or have stakes in large amounts of media.

The media in the hands of so few in not in the interests of democracy as the electorate need to be informed from different points of view.

[Bun]

I think Gordon Brown & Tony Blair certainly rival James Callagahan for worst Prime Minister in British modern history for sure

tony blair was awesome :eusa_danc

is there a date when the election will be yet

probs early may