Ireland 'Votes Yes' In EU Treaty Referendum

[LuketheDuke]

..that is why I said the Republic of China, Scotland and the European Union are the same, they are states in their own right. Therefore as the issue of the United Kingdom being merged into a federal European superstate is such a big issue, there should be a referendum on it.



That just deepens the case for a referendum, we did not vote for European Union we voted for the EEC therefore that referendum back in the 1970s' in annulled, it has no bearing anymore. The EEC was economic co-operation, the European Union is economic union, political union and social union which is totally different to what we voted for.



Then I would leave that aswell, and that should be put into a referendum. When I say 'leave the European Union' that means leave the European Union, as in they no longer have control over sovereign policy areas.



We should have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty because it is such a big issue, the European Union affects more than 75% of our laws and affects everything from business right down to what fruit/light bulbs we buy. I would like to see referendums on more issues, but as Europe is the biggest issue, if anything deserves a referendum it is this.



A lot of the Conservative elite are pro-EU that is right and the Conservatives constantly are split by the European Union issue. Margaret Thatcher has expressed regret of signing into the European Union as she only saw what was becoming of it as her term ended, the formation of a European superstate - hence why the European Union hated the Thatcher government as she forced them to give us a rebate.

There is not large support for the European Union, the tories risk large defection to UKIP at the next election, judging by comments on the Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, BBC News and Sky News and I too would be voting for UKIP rather than the Conservatives because of Camerons' dithering.

Ken Clarke knows full well that is a referendum was held the Lisbon treaty would not pass, otherwise i'm sure he wouldn't have a problem with it. To be quite frank I couldn't care less what europhiles in the Conservative Party think, as long as the main party line is against the European Union. If the Conservatives truly represented the people then they would pledge to hold a referendum on both EU membership and the Lisbon Treaty, however there have been rumours that will be the case, with Davis, Pickles and Johnson hinting at that.

I am not the Conservative Party, and as I have said time and time again and as I have done this week, I will criticise the Conervatives as much as I would criticise Labour for not taking action on the European Union issue.



If that is the case, as the Conservatives and UKIP are both against the Lisbon Treaty - do you now accept the Lisbon Treaty is not wanted? (as the Conservatives and UKIP both won more seats in the European Parliamentary Elections than Labour and the Liberal Democrats).



Karl Marx could of had a degree in science, business and history for all I know - does it make him right? - no it does not. We could compare our grades to eachother all we wanted, it still doesn't make you right or prove to me anything.



Hang on, sorry they would be informed. The Labour Party and Liberal Democrats would fight for a yes vote and the Conservatives and UKIP for a no vote. The Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph and others would fight for a no vote, while the Guardian would fight for a yes vote.

You refuse a vote because you know it will lose, so stop blaming the media and accept people do not want it.



The European Union is to the left, Neil Kinnock and his wife, Tony Blair (to be soon), Peter Mandelson and so on have all been in the European Union and have made millions from it. The European Union is command economy, centralised - that is left wing and one of the basics of left wing politics.

It is right some people who call themselves Conservatives are for the European Union, however i'd argue how can you be a Conservative when you are supporting the creation of a unelected federal state with a left wing agenda on climate change and so on, while supporting a centralised-command economy. That is not Conservatism.

Id seriously wish youd learn about politics instead of making up assumptions all the time. That and reading right wing papers do somewhat make your posts boggle the mind.

sovereignity exists in the UK and can never be undermined otherwise the British constitution is not being followed. MP's have the right to scrutinise EU draft legislation and then vote on it. Thats sovereignty, nothing can be shoved down our throats. Labour may be pro EU and vote through things accordingly but its above board and in strict juncture with the constitution.

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Ok. You've lost it. You obviously don't know what a command economy is. I'm not going to argue against you about the EU anymore because you've made a completely fundamental mistake in describing the EU.

A command economy in something which is heavily regulated and is controlled by a small group of people at the top. That in the economy of the European Union, because if the European Union wasn't a command economy it wouldn't be involved in economics at all.

I think the issue you are keen to avoid really is 'You refuse a vote because you know it will lose, so stop blaming the media and accept people do not want it.' - I cannot wait until the day the British people get their deserved say on the European Union, we all know what the answer will be.

Id seriously wish youd learn about politics instead of making up assumptions all the time. That and reading right wing papers do somewhat make your posts boggle the mind.

sovereignity exists in the UK and can never be undermined otherwise the British constitution is not being followed. MP's have the right to scrutinise EU draft legislation and then vote on it. Thats sovereignty, nothing can be shoved down our throats. Labour may be pro EU and vote through things accordingly but its above board and in strict juncture with the constitution.

I seriously wish you would stop blaming the papers for my opinions, I have my own opinions and the papers do not influence that. I could read a pro-EU paper everyday and it wouldn't change my mind on the European Union. Get over the newspapers.

I am sorry but a country which has over 75% of its laws made by unelected foreigners is not sovereignty; if you think it is then you are deluded to say the very least.

[alexxxxx]

A command economy in something which is heavily regulated and is controlled by a small group of people at the top. That in the economy of the European Union, because if the European Union wasn't a command economy it wouldn't be involved in economics at all.

That is NOT the definition of a command economy.

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That is NOT the definition of a command economy.

That is the definition of command economy, call it whatever you wish controlled economy, command economy, restricted economy - the European Union is not free market.

[alexxxxx]

That is the definition of command economy, call it whatever you wish controlled economy, command economy, restricted economy - the European Union is not free market.

An economic system where the allocation of resources, including determination of what goods and services should be produced, and in what quantity, is planned by the government.

That is a command economy.

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That is a command economy.

The light bulb ban, fruit size regulations and goodness knows how many other regulations is command economy, along with allocating how many farmers can and cannot grow crops.

Command economy.