Should Immigrants get FREE education?

[GommeInc]

A lot of the people here are mistaking immigrants for illegal immigrants. A massive majority of immigrants that are here legally do work even if they receive benefits, which is no different to any of our own parents getting whatever money they get for having you lot in education while they work or whatever other benefits they might be getting. I don't think anyone would seriously suggest that we should open our doors to anyone who wants to come here and "take" our money without working, but bringing up a whole generation of uneducated persons just because their parents weren't born here is not only ridiculous as a principle but stupid in terms of a sustainable future for the country

What he said ^ Immigrants are legal, illegal ones are the ones everyone has "beef" with. You all seem to be arguing about education and immigrants, yet you're showing typical uneducated dribble when it comes to the word and meaning of "immigrant".

An immigrant could be anyone - Chinese, French, Iranian, Pakistani, German - seeking citizenship or settlement, and has won that benefit to legally stay in that country, either temporarily (e.g. student) or permanently (e.g. for work and/or family). It is not to be mistaken for migrant, which is where they jump from country to country similar to travelling, but for work rather than settlement. An illegal immigrant who bypasses laws, boundries and enters a country illegally to live there. They cannot get an education and cannot reap off the benefits such as free housing, because these go through checks which require passports that show national identification.

They can get housing and/or jobs IF a citizen, citizens, or company is breaking the law by offering them housing or work without getting them checked. It is why businesses and companies get closed down or heavily fined if they are caught giving work to illegal immigrants.

So yes, immigrants should be entitled to free education if they can find it. They've earnt the right. But as some people have mentioned, some people pay alot for education as an immigrant and alot of universities have immigrant (and migrant) students studying, and they pay alot for that.

[-:Undertaker:-]

So we should charge little 11 year olds for their education, even though other little 11 year olds born in England might also move out of the country at some point in time:rolleyes:...

11 year olds do not pay taxes, nice try at a witty comment though.

[HotelUser]

11 year olds do not pay taxes, nice try at a witty comment though.

Obviously their parents would pay taxes. It's not a witty comment, because that's what is being suggested here. Charging the little 11 year olds to go to school.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Obviously their parents would pay taxes.

My comment succeeded.

..so worded properly, it would of read 'So we should charge immigrant parents for their childs education, even though other families born in England might also move out of the country at some point in time.'

It depends on how long they have been here, do they work, and if they are planning to stay or not. On the point of families moving out of England, well i'm afraid they have paid their taxes and were born here, the British educational system is not for the world to use when they please.

[HotelUser]

..so worded properly, it would of read 'So we should charge immigrant parents for their childs education, even though other families born in England might also move out of the country at some point in time.'
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No. Charging little 11 year olds for education fits. It's assumed that their guardians would pay for it. Even if that wasn't the case, there's some African countries where the students bring a small portion of money to class each day. Thus the "little 11 year olds" would be giving the money for their own education .

If they are a citizen of England they are entitled to the same benefits as any other citizen. People born in England can move away after getting an education? Since you very seldom hear of the affects of immigrants leeching off the education system it's really a non issue .

[-:Undertaker:-]

No. Charging little 11 year olds for education fits. It's assumed that their guardians would pay for it. Even if that wasn't the case, there's some African countries where the students bring a small portion of money to class each day. Thus the "little 11 year olds" would be giving the money for their own education .

If they are a citizen of England they are entitled to the same benefits as any other citizen. People born in England can move away after getting an education? Since you very seldom hear of the affects of immigrants leeching off the education system it's really a non issue .

That is because parents pay for their children, I am pretty sure I don't know any 11 year olds capable of funding their education and pretty sure you do not either.

That is because they are born in the United Kingdom, their home nation is the United Kingdom where their family has paid taxes thoughout and contributed to the United Kingdom. The only case I am arguing for is those who are not planning to stay should not be allowed or be entitled to free education, that is why i'd impose a 5-year waiting time in which they have to live and contribute to the United Kingdom, before recieving anything back in return.

[HotelUser]

That is because parents pay for their children, I am pretty sure I don't know any 11 year olds capable of funding their education and pretty sure you do not either.

That is because they are born in the United Kingdom, their home nation is the United Kingdom where their family has paid taxes thoughout and contributed to the United Kingdom. The only case I am arguing for is those who are not planning to stay should not be allowed or be entitled to free education, that is why i'd impose a 5-year waiting time in which they have to live and contribute to the United Kingdom, before recieving anything back in return.

Even after they've just gone through the hassle of beginning a citizen of England, we should still treat them like a foreigner, say even though we thought they were genuine enough people to accept in our society we're still going to make them pay for obvious freebies like education? We should make all immigrants pay education fees because 0.05% of them are trying to "steal" education? Seems pretty unfair to that other 99.95%

When that immigrant's been in England they're already holding down a job and paying taxes as they're here. Meaning the small fraction of the ones "stealing education" would:
1. Probably already have payed of their child's education fees while paying the various taxes as their child was being educated.
2. When they leave the country they couldn't just take everything they had with them (when they decide to go from a country with a functional government and economic system back to their home country which couldn't even provide a reasonable education, so its probably filled with poverty and other problems), so a lot of their possessions, house/apartment possible car, their job, would be left behind and put back into your economy for other people to take advantage of and profit from.

[FlyingJesus]

Hey everybody check me out, I don't pay taxes (other than road tax) but I'm getting my uni education for free. I'm less useful to the country than most immigrants, even some of the illegal ones as they at least attempt to get a job and do a service from time to time while I work a meagre 16 hour week and spend the rest of my time eating, drinking and playing football. I'm the biggest waste of natural intellect I've ever known but hey, at least I'm English huh

[Inseriousity.]

If parents are paying taxes then I don't see why not. Although I've never heard of immigrants coming for the education? In my less-than-expert view, it's the parents looking for the work (if the whole family comes over) although this excludes international students for university though

[Ajthedragon]

they should all **** off back to their own country and stop taking ours for granted.. not being racist or anything but it's beyond a joke now

Totally Agree :rolleyes: