Habbox Forum Activity and Suggestions for Change

[Immenseman]

We can't get to ahead of ourselves and start planning who is going to have a say when management are yet to confirm they feel change is needed. We know change is needed but whether they are still in-touch with the forum and what it needs is unfortunately an entirely another matter.

[StefanWolves]

We can't get to ahead of ourselves and start planning who is going to have a say when management are yet to confirm they feel change is needed. We know change is needed but whether they are still in-touch with the forum and what it needs is unfortunately an entirely another matter.

could not agree more. hopefully something will be done, maybe a whole re-launch of the forum is a bit OTT, but things do need to be changed, or else I can see HxF dying.

[The Professor]

I couldn't agree more to be honest. People are seeing moderators as an easy target and so take things out on them without suggesting what could be changed (sensible suggestions). The moderation team works hard and it's all voluntary, I think people forget that. Matt has a lot of work being FM, and these complaints aren't really helping - maybe someone should be appointed as AFM again? (No, I'm not tryna suck up or anything to get AFM here)

Tbh that's what the rudeness to staff rule was implemented for, as well as the private "complaints about staff" forum. The management atm are being too lenient on what gets posted in public and what gets dealt with in private, as well as what is allowed to be posted about certain moderators and remain in public view.

[Immenseman]

Just to pick up on the earlier comparisons you drew with CH. I just looked on both forums and went to see how active they both were in regards to post wise. As and when I looked HxF had 25 posts in the last 38 minutes. CH had the same amount of posts in 19 minutes. Works out exactly half. Like I stated before I know this isn't conclusive but it's the same all throughout the day (scrapping the "their userbase is younger" argument). Just thought people as sad as myself may find it interesting.

[Nixt]

Tbh that's what the rudeness to staff rule was implemented for, as well as the private "complaints about staff" forum. The management atm are being too lenient on what gets posted in public and what gets dealt with in private, as well as what is allowed to be posted about certain moderators and remain in public view.

Lol I think there is a couple of issues with the Moderation of certain complaints but overall I think it's fine. Be too harsh and it just pisses people off even more.

Just to pick up on the earlier comparisons you drew with CH. I just looked on both forums and went to see how active they both were in regards to post wise. As and when I looked HxF had 25 posts in the last 38 minutes. CH had the same amount of posts in 19 minutes. Works out exactly half. Like I stated before I know this isn't conclusive but it's the same all throughout the day (scrapping the "their userbase is younger" argument). Just thought people as sad as myself may find it interesting.

I find it interesting Jake, you are not the only geek. I'm still awaiting input from senior management though !

[StefanWolves]

They won't post, they might just ignore it, they can't live up to the truth that HxF is dying, and unless they CHANGE it will continue to go downhill.

[nvrspk4]

They won't post, they might just ignore it, they can't live up to the truth that HxF is dying, and unless they CHANGE it will continue to go downhill.

I have found that 95% of the time you post you are spewing baseless rhetoric. You had a good suggestion or two, but I do wish you would think before posting hopelessly baseless and intentionally inflammatory things like this.



As far as the changes that need to be made, I think we were planning on bringing down the number of required posts...I swear we did that a while ago?

Will we be giving the power to a group of users to conceive and IMPLEMENT changes? No, its that simple. If we wanted to give them the ability to implement changes, we would just make them staff.

Could a council be more effective under this system of management? Perhaps.

But I also think that the Council was a response to a rather nonresponsive management. I like to pretend that we do tend to be very responsive to Feedback comments. We may not always accept them, but we do reply to almost every one. Whether you agree or disagree with the decisions made by management, users that have been around and have given feedback over a long period (note emphasis) will recognize that we respond to almost all feedback which is a drastic improvement.

Could the argument be made that we might be more responsive to a council? Maybe. Depends who's on there. Some people make arguments that are rational and instead of trying to attack to make their points, they give well reasoned arguments that sometimes get a bit heated but are usually based in facts. Good examples of this are GommeInc, Mentor, and Immenseman about 50% of the time. Others like to spew the taglines "they never listen", "they always say no", "management is corrupt", and devolve into attacks on the management team when things don't go their way.

I'll be completely honest, when people are being ******** yes it does make us a little less likely to implement the change. We try to block it out but that subtle influence could be the difference. Presenting your case in a mature way can do a lot for you, and if the council was composed of cool yet forward thinking heads, it could be effective.

However, its from my experience that I find that having a council is a lot more work than its worth If a group of semi experienced and rational users wish to among themselves compose a council that collaborate, make their points in a rational and mature fashion, and do so regularly, I suggest they do so. We are more likely to legitimize a group that has shown they will be effective when given semi-official status than working to bring it from the ground up and watch it fall again.


Back on the topic of forum activity, its definitely waning. I would argue that the reason this is happening is because of the lack of influx, which is mostly our own fault - we're not attractive enough new users on Habbo. Our main focus has been retaining old users. We have always lost users at this rate, the difference was in the past there were large influxes from Habbo and we never really noticed it. We're not working hard enough to bring people in from Habbo - and perhaps there is less of a demand for Habbo users.

If we can't cement our place in the Habbo market, then HabboxForum will close. We can't sustain ourselves on current members, if we focus on current members they will invariably, one by one die out and the forum will die with them. Our main focus has to be on new members while yes, you keep current members happy.

[StefanWolves]

I have found that 95% of the time you post you are spewing baseless rhetoric. You had a good suggestion or two, but I do wish you would think before posting hopelessly baseless and intentionally inflammatory things like this.

To be honest, why doesn't it surprise me that you are attacking me yet again? I am not posting what you call 'spewing baseless rhetoric' - I'm speaking the truth, if things carry on CH will take over, and Habbox Forum will eventually loose enough members that there will not be a point in wasting money on hosting, FACT. Tbh, you always seem to be able to victimize someone, and quite often it's me. Why? Ask any MOD on this forum how I have been in the last month, they will tell you, go on, ask. Why is it they gave me MOTM then? if I 'spew baseless rhetoric'. Lately I have been one of the more active users on this forum, giving constructive posts and being on my best behaviour, then I get a kick in the teeth from you? great example to everyone aren't you.

As far as the changes that need to be made, I think we were planning on bringing down the number of required posts...I swear we did that a while ago?

That is 1 of a 100 things that need to be changed, this forum is stuck in the 1990s. If you reads the WHOLE thread instead of jumping in to attack me then you would see that there have been many possible and contstructive posts by ex-senior members in this threads, people who actually do care about the future of this forum, people who care about making this forum future-proof.

Back on the topic of forum activity, its definitely waning. I would argue that the reason this is happening is because of the lack of influx, which is mostly our own fault - we're not attractive enough new users on Habbo. Our main focus has been retaining old users. We have always lost users at this rate, the difference was in the past there were large influxes from Habbo and we never really noticed it. We're not working hard enough to bring people in from Habbo - and perhaps there is less of a demand for Habbo users.

Thank god you are back on topic, and thank you for actually admitting that you are doing something wrong, other Habbox staff wouldn't have. Yes you need get new members in, older members are growing out of this forum and that is shown by the lack of inactivity on the forum of late. Yes you could blame this on the time of the month, but I highly doubt this, compared to CH forum anyway.

If we can't cement our place in the Habbo market, then HabboxForum will close. We can't sustain ourselves on current members, if we focus on current members they will invariably, one by one die out and the forum will die with them. Our main focus has to be on new members while yes, you keep current members happy.

How do you plan to get new members in? Now lets all stop ******** at each other and find ways forward to get newer members in, shall we?

[StefanWolves]

Sorry to double post.

Found this quite interesting, bare in mind this is 10:30, peak time.

HabboxForum:
Currently Active Users: 179 (89 members and 90 guests) - as of 10:30pm

ClubHabbo:
Currently Active Users: 116 (83 members and 33 guests) - as of 10.30pm

About the same registered members online, but see the guests? we have 60 more than them, what does that tell you? well it tells you that people just aren't bothering to register, and if they are then they obviously aren't bothered to log-in and post something.

Thought I should just point that out.

[Immenseman]

I don't know if this is a factor or not just thought I'd point it out. When you first use CH it's a lot more user friendly - skin wise. This forums skin is horrible when you visit for the first time. It might have just been me but it genuinely put me off the forum until I realised how to change it.