UAF V BNP at the BBC Television Centre ahead of Question Time

[-:Undertaker:-]

It's official, your actually stupid. The whole public is in backlash over this. Turn on your TV, open a newspaper for lords sake! You say people are questioning imigration on this forum - yes they are, but judging by the general age concensus on this forum, these are people who arn't even in a position to vote (unlike myself) And correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just the view that has come over from other posts I've read, but are you gay? (Seriously sorry if your not, and no offence caused), because if you are, Nick Griffen and the BNP thinks your a freak of nature who wants to evoke all your gay rights.

The interviews on the news have clearly shown that even people who do not agree with the British National Party did njot agree with the way the BBC and the other parties dealed with this. On the issue of gay rights, gay rights should not come above the rights of the majority or the opinion of the majority, I disagree with gay marriage aswell. Nick Griffin merely stated the truth on Question Time last night, that the majority of people think two guys kissing is pretty creepy, and its true a lot of people do think that. I'm not going to label him homophobic just because hes stating a true fact.

Infact your post just shows how everything concerning the BNP is over-amplified and you are putting words in his mouth right there.

[Frodo13.]

The interviews on the news have clearly shown that even people who do not agree with the British National Party did njot agree with the way the BBC and the other parties dealed with this. On the issue of gay rights, gay rights should not come above the rights of the majority or the opinion of the majority, I disagree with gay marriage aswell. Nick Griffin merely stated the truth on Question Time last night, that the majority of people think two guys kissing is pretty creepy, and its true a lot of people do think that. I'm not going to label him homophobic just because hes stating a true fact.

Infact your post just shows how everything concerning the BNP is over-amplified and you are putting words in his mouth right there.

And the reason why many people who find that creepy, is because they were brought up to believe it's creapy, and that is an upbringing that Nick Giffin would continue. As you yourself are aware of, homosexuality is becoming more exceptable, especially amongst the youth of today, and that is because they are educated about it. The fact you say that gay rights should not come above the rights of the majority, and that you also find it creepy, in my opinion makes you a disgrace to the gay community you belong to. And to add, it's not about gay rights being above the rights of the majority, it's about gays having the EQUAL rights of the majority, which includes same sex marriage, gay adoption etc. Why should, what in my opinion is a thing you are born with make you have less rights?

[-:Undertaker:-]

And the reason why many people who find that creepy, is because they were brought up to believe it's creapy, and that is an upbringing that Nick Giffin would continue. As you yourself are aware of, homosexuality is becoming more exceptable, especially amongst the youth of today, and that is because they are educated about it. The fact you say that gay rights should not come above the rights of the majority, and that you also find it creepy, in my opinion makes you a disgrace to the gay community you belong to. And to add, it's not about gay rights being above the rights of the majority, it's about gays having the EQUAL rights of the majority, which includes same sex marriage, gay adoption etc. Why should, what in my opinion is a thing you are born with make you have less rights?

I'm afraid that no Labour government advertisement on television will change peoples' minds, no matter how much Labour likes to think. Infact all these equality laws, equality advertisements, parades turn people against homosexuals and minorities. On the point of gay rights, I put the majorty first i'm afraid, I don't belong to any community, i'm me and I can think for myself. I don't support groups such as Stonewall interfering with government policy because the government was elected to do the job, not Stonewall or the Muslim Council of Great Britain.

On the last point, because I believe that marriage should be and always has been between a man and a woman, its like saying I should have the right to be well built - but i'm not, so I get over it. The point of adoption, i'm against this until attitudes change as the childs future could be harmed by bullying in schools and so on.

..because I put children and the majority before myself, and I believe that is always the right thing to do for the welfare of the nation and especially its children.

[Niall!]

It's official, your actually stupid. The whole public is in backlash over this. Turn on your TV, open a newspaper for lords sake! You say people are questioning imigration on this forum - yes they are, but judging by the general age concensus on this forum, these are people who arn't even in a position to vote (unlike myself) And correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just the view that has come over from other posts I've read, but are you gay? (Seriously sorry if your not, and no offence caused), because if you are, Nick Griffen and the BNP thinks your a freak of nature who wants to evoke all your gay rights.

lol@everyone thinking dans gay.

Anyway, I am of voting age and I must say, if BNP was elected, the country would be a much better place. You must have read the multiple stories before of hindus or whatever. Some of them started complaining about Christmas lights on their street for example and, in doing so, got them banned? This is the only one that comes to mine at the moment, but there are many, many more just like this.

Political correctness is what's killing this country, and someone needs to stop it.

[RandomManJay]

lol@everyone thinking dans gay.

Anyway, I am of voting age and I must say, if BNP was elected, the country would be a much better place. You must have read the multiple stories before of hindus or whatever. Some of them started complaining about Christmas lights on their street for example and, in doing so, got them banned? This is the only one that comes to mine at the moment, but there are many, many more just like this.

Political correctness is what's killing this country, and someone needs to stop it.

I do agree with you that political correctness is damaging this country (personally I wouldn't say killing), but if the BNP were to get elected, I feel they would take it from one extreme to another, and considering the actual support for the BNP is a low ratio to the population, a lot of people wouldn't like where the country would be heading. I know that if they were elected, I would rather migrate then live in a country which is against allowing diversity of faith, colour, sexuality and whatnot. It's like when Griffin said that when Islamic followers come to this country, there are to be made aware that this country should remain a christian country, but what about those who have chosen different beliefs, and what about those who originate from the country who have chosen the Islamic faith, should they be told that they shouldn't believe in it because it isn't British. It's going against the most fundamental of human rights, and in the eyes of the any community with different beliefs, forcing them to agree that christianity is dominant in this country is like saying their god or beliefs are not are important and not as powerful as christianity.

[Niall!]

I do agree with you that political correctness is damaging this country (personally I wouldn't say killing), but if the BNP were to get elected, I feel they would take it from one extreme to another, and considering the actual support for the BNP is a low ratio to the population, a lot of people wouldn't like where the country would be heading. I know that if they were elected, I would rather migrate then live in a country which is against allowing diversity of faith, colour, sexuality and whatnot. It's like when Griffin said that when Islamic followers come to this country, there are to be made aware that this country should remain a christian country, but what about those who have chosen different beliefs, and what about those who originate from the country who have chosen the Islamic faith, should they be told that they shouldn't believe in it because it isn't British. It's going against the most fundamental of human rights, and in the eyes of the any community with different beliefs, forcing them to agree that christianity is dominant in this country is like saying their god or beliefs are not are important and not as powerful as christianity.

I'll take this quote from the BNP website:

Can anyone imagine Saudi Arabia allowing the mass immigration of Christians, so that in a few decades it would no longer be an Islamic country?

That sums up my arguments. They would do the exact same thing to us if the situations were reversed.

[Black_Apalachi]

I'll take this quote from the BNP website:

Can anyone imagine Saudi Arabia allowing the mass immigration of Christians, so that in a few decades it would no longer be an Islamic country?

That sums up my arguments. They would do the exact same thing to us if the situations were reversed.

See, that's something I understand and would agree with about the BNP. I'm starting to think people are just resorting to calling everything they do or say racist regardless, just to try and snub them out.

[RandomManJay]

True, but compare our society to theirs, they have not reached, or will never want to reach the same level of equal rights for humanity as we have. The BNP want the UK to return to a state which it had centuries ago, but the thing is our society cannot exist in such a way anymore, it would mean restricting human rights to the point that there would be a clear definition between humanity dependent on factors which cannot be controlled; gender, race, sexuality and to some degree religious beliefs and anyone who does not agree to fall in line with this definition will be removed.

Now I'm all for reducing the level of immagration in this country, but only from a population stant point, this country is getting too crowded, but I do not want the immagration to reduce because I feel my idendity as a british citizen is being damaged. I do class myself as a british citizen, but I don't feel like I'm being squashed out because I don't class myself as being only that, you're lineage still exists, your former country and history still exists, just because this counrty has accepted other beliefs into their mainstream doesn't mean were being over run or classed out, were being more defined as a culture who accepts other cultures, people who are born in this country shouldn't be trying to maintain their status, their status is already written in stone, if you migrate, you are classed as both a british citizen and a citizen of whatever country you migrate to, you do not lose your identity, you gain another.

All the BNP wants is for all the people who they define as not belonging to this country to not be here, if they are ever elected, they will define this, they will have the right to kick who ever they want out, for whatever reason, and once that happens, they think that this country will turn into a utopian society, and the thing is it probably will, but what kind of society will it be that if you go against anything you will be removed, the UK will be isolated, no other country would want to be involved with a country which is so xenophobic and paranoid that any values which do not agree with their values are not allowed through fear that they would be taken over.

(p.s. some of this probably wont make any sense, I'm trying to get ready for work while debating, not easy when you're rushing .)

[ifuseekamy]

See, that's something I understand and would agree with about the BNP.

What? That we should do what the oh so advanced Saudi Arabia does?

[Black_Apalachi]

No, just the point about how virtually every other country in the world upholds their own nation's religions and doesn't allow them to be diluted by the rest of the world.