Does God Exist?

[FlyingJesus]

As those books consist of FACTS, you just completely failed to put forward a valid argument.

No I didn't - you claimed that a book made over hundreds of years with different authors can't be trusted. You never said "unless it's proven fact" so therefore your earlier statement wasn't at all right

Yes, but the difference would be that I didn't make a rash claim

srsly, God doesn't exist. trust

Oh yeah no rash claims

Its just the fact that how complex everything is, just the human organism is so complex that science alone couldn't have made it.

Technically science has had infinite time for such a probability to actually come around, there's time periods we simlpy cannot fathom in which it's quite likely nothing much at all was happening until chance made it

And if someone could answer this, if evolution is the true way we were created, why haven't we evolved since? Why are we the same human person for more than 3000 years?

No need really. Evolution only happens if there's something needed to survive, and we are kind of evolving in some ways - humans are generally taller now than a few centuries or millennia back for one thing

But think about it I've learnt from my science teacher who is a biologist who said that if you stretch everything from the human body into a line it could go around the world or something similar, how can that be if science created us?

Not sure what you mean on that one, there are plenty of really long things coiled up into small spaces

[Ontario]

Ok i'm a born again Christian. I believe God does exist and have seen and experienced things that couldn't make me think different.

I'm no Bible scholar so please don't throw verses from the Bible at me and then expect to me argue the toss over the meaning and context they are written in.

In all honesty I have only seen the tip of the Ice Berg with God, and all I know that from the parts of the Bible I have read.
God is something we are not made to fully understand.

[FlyingJesus]

To be fair if you're gonna be a Christian you really should make a study of the Bible, otherwise how are you to know what it is you need to do in order to live out God's will?

[Ontario]

To be fair if you're gonna be a Christian you really should make a study of the Bible, otherwise how are you to know what it is you need to do in order to live out God's will?

Well i have only been a Christian for about a year
But I'm reading the entire Bible in a year at the moment.

[Black_Apalachi]

I think that's a bit.. miff. "there's as much evidence fairies exist as there is that God exists."
Last time I checked fairies don't have a Holy book, a religion and billions of followers.

That isn't evidence. There are millions and millions of kids who believe in fairies, doesn't mean theyre real just because people believe. There are also HUNDREDS of books on fairies...

Exactly, there are even adults who believe that fairies exist. Ardemax you're still basing your argument on the point that lots of people follow it, therefore it must be true. You couldn't be more naive to live your life with this ideology.

As a side note, anyone could go out and create a religion based on fairies and create a holy book. Look at Scientology for example.

No I didn't - you claimed that a book made over hundreds of years with different authors can't be trusted. You never said "unless it's proven fact" so therefore your earlier statement wasn't at all right ...

Oh, you couldn't work that little deatil out for yourself? Sorry, my bad :rolleyes:.

... Oh yeah no rash claims ...

Yeah, I was a bit gutted that my earlier constructive post went overlooked so I just made that post in a less serious manner .

... God is something we are not made to fully understand.

When anyone denies the existence of God, Christians demand proof for how they know this. Then they come out with things like that.

[Ardemax]

Exactly, there are even adults who believe that fairies exist. Ardemax you're still basing your argument on the point that lots of people follow it, therefore it must be true. You couldn't be more naive to live your life with this ideology.

As a side note, anyone could go out and create a religion based on fairies and create a holy book. Look at Scientology for example.

that would explain why every post of mine is about people following it? no.

i still can't believe you linked God with fairies either, saying there's as much evidence.

[FlyingJesus]

Well technically faeries come from pagan religions that were around in Britain long before the Christians took over, and appear in some form in a lot of religions (whether as goodly being of nature or as devils).

Someone a page or two back mentioned a god that no longer exists, which is an interesting idea and one that I've looked across many many times (I make a lot of personal study on theology) but should perhaps be made in a new thread "Is there a god?" with a lower case g. Can't remember if I've said it already in this thread but where people say God as a pronoun like that I think for the sake of the argument it should be assumed that we're talking about the Jewish/Christian/Muslim deity. If you want to go into gods of other religions and theoretical gods that's an extremely interesting discussion but an entirely different one unfortunately

[Ardemax]

well if the question was is there a god then i think the same answers may arise

[Black_Apalachi]

that would explain why every post of mine is about people following it? no.

i still can't believe you linked God with fairies either, saying there's as much evidence.

Fairies is just what I randomly chose. I could have as easily picked Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny or the Loch Ness Monster. Fairies is probably a stronger argument of the bunch though.

And I said there's as much evidence because there is. There's a film based on a true story about some kids who claimed to see fairies at the bottom of their garden and took pictures of them (whether the pictures turned out to be hoaxes is another story). The point is that the Bible is a man-made book. Before I even go into the reliability it holds as a source of any information, the fact alone that it is man-made can not prove the existence of a greater being.

You do realise this is all coming from someone who strongly believed in God for a good 15 years or so. I used to actually feel sorry for people who didn't believe, now it's the complete opposite!

Well technically faeries come from pagan religions that were around in Britain long before the Christians took over, and appear in some form in a lot of religions (whether as goodly being of nature or as devils).

Someone a page or two back mentioned a god that no longer exists, which is an interesting idea and one that I've looked across many many times (I make a lot of personal study on theology) but should perhaps be made in a new thread "Is there a god?" with a lower case g. Can't remember if I've said it already in this thread but where people say God as a pronoun like that I think for the sake of the argument it should be assumed that we're talking about the Jewish/Christian/Muslim deity. If you want to go into gods of other religions and theoretical gods that's an extremely interesting discussion but an entirely different one unfortunately

I'm glad someone understands that concept!

[Ardemax]

Yes Rob, but mind you you're saying that all God-based religions aren't real? As in their God is a fake.

I'm not trying to change your opinion here, but some people really do believe that God is helping them through things, I just don't know if atheists would understand though.