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    The letter is an insult because:
    - It obviously hasn't been written with emotion, or thought, it has simply been rushed.
    - The handwriting, look at it? is that about 50 words on ONE PAGE?
    - The spelling, come on? he couldn't spell condolences? He's meant to be a highly educated person.
    - He spelled his name WRONG? yes, it's something little, but it's still unacceptable.

    Yes, I agree, the way the woman has gone to the papers etc is wrong, and stupid, but its up to her, I know I'd be a bit pissed off if I received that letter if I was in her situation, just put yourself in her position and you recieved that pile of crap.

    Yes, I agree the Prime Minister had all the best intentions, and I know he has problems with his eyes and has dyslexia, but still, it is a bit bad, and I do feel sorry for him, as it shouldn't have gone to the papers. But I'm sure it isn't to hard for him to get help with writing it or have someone else writing it for him, which I don't care what you say - is his own words and ISN'T lies.

    If someone else writing the letter for him from what he is saying is such lies, then tell me this - what about all these students who have DYSLEXIA, at school like Gordon Brown does - get to have people to write out their essays for them in tests like GCSE's and SATs? if it isn't their own words? It's the same sort of thing, it is their words, just someone else writing it for them. These students also sign the front of the examination paper off to show that it is there work, so, are they lying too? because they didn't write it? because that's what you saying about my idea of the PM having someone write what he is saying.

    So yes. That's it, I can't be bothered arguing anymore because you obviously are NOT putting yourself in the mothers shoes. I'm sure you'd be the same as she is, you would have just gone about it in a different way - like trying to contact the PM somehow.
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    I don't think we should point fingers at anyone tbh.
    The mother is going to be extremely distraught; when my grandma died I attacked everyone and everything. Her son has just died so I think we should give her a break.
    Gordon brown has dyslexia and it was nice of him to send a letter, even if it wasn't a very good one. Something is, after all, better than nothing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolves, View Post
    The letter is an insult because:
    - It obviously hasn't been written with emotion, or thought, it has simply been rushed. False - his writing is always like this. Also, handwriting doesn't show emotion, words do. Read the words, they're deep and full of emotion. "I hope that, with time, you will find some comfort in your son's great courage and bravery and in the huge contribution he made to the security of our country. If I can help in any way, please tell me." What do you mean by emotion, kissing the arse of the mother? These words are acceptable, you're moaning for the sake of moaning :/
    - The handwriting, look at it? is that about 50 words on ONE PAGE? Condolences aren't meant to be lecture. He said what needed to be said.
    - The spelling, come on? he couldn't spell condolences? He's meant to be a highly educated person.He's got dyslexia :rolleyes: And it's hardly the end of the world. I've seen business reports with bad spelling. This is not an insult.
    - He spelled his name WRONG? yes, it's something little, but it's still unacceptable. Not worth blabbing to The Sun and making a big deal out of nothing, she should of just wrote back saying the name was wrong like a normal human being, and being grateful she actually got a letter in the first place - the letter was fine, it said what needed to be said. If she is too pathetic of a human being, then she needs to sort her life out. Yes, her son died in a war, but this attitude is totally unacceptable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolves,
    Yes, I agree, the way the woman has gone to the papers etc is wrong, and stupid, but its up to her, I know I'd be a bit pissed off if I received that letter if I was in her situation, just put yourself in her position and you recieved that pile of crap.
    It's not a pile of crap at all. It said what needed to be said. How is it a pile of crap? I received a letter from the hospital when my father died, I didn't call it a piece of crap. Like this letter, it said what needed to be said. I didn't judge the hand-writing, infact it was nice it was personal, like this letter. Is hand-writing really such a big deal to you? Because you seem to be focusing on that, and not the content of the letter :rolleyesL

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolves,
    Yes, I agree the Prime Minister had all the best intentions, and I know he has problems with his eyes and has dyslexia, but still, it is a bit bad, and I do feel sorry for him, as it shouldn't have gone to the papers. But I'm sure it isn't to hard for him to get help with writing it or have someone else writing it for him, which I don't care what you say - is his own words and ISN'T lies.
    It would be lies, when he personally writes the letters but gets someone else the write the letters in his name - notice the error in that sentence? That's why it cannot be done Anyone in the world would rather have a personal letter, not an impersonal one like you're suggesting. Again, you're moaning for the sake of moaning and don't appear to care about the content of the letter. He didn't need help anyway, it was readable - you don't appear to have noticed alot of people have been able to read it. Not everyone has perfect writing, but it takes a good brain in your head to understandable what someone is trying to say. If this woman is too lazy to take the time to read it, then I pity her and her dull, puny brain. The words were there, they made sense. That is the end of it :/

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolves,
    If someone else writing the letter for him from what he is saying is such lies, then tell me this - what about all these students who have DYSLEXIA, at school like Gordon Brown does - get to have people to write out their essays for them in tests like GCSE's and SATs? if it isn't their own words? It's the same sort of thing, it is their words, just someone else writing it for them. These students also sign the front of the examination paper off to show that it is there work, so, are they lying too? because they didn't write it? because that's what you saying about my idea of the PM having someone write what he is saying.
    Don't be stupid. An essay doesn't have to be personal. Gordon Brown writes the letters personally. Understand that and you may actually know what you're talking about and understand this argument. No-one should write the letters on behalf of the PM, if you found out you'd be annoyed because he didn't write it personally. Understand what "personally" or "personal" means, because Gordon Brown personally writes these letters, he shouldn't get someone to write the letters on behalf of him :/ His writing isn't that bad and you know it isn't, and so do many others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolves,
    So yes. That's it, I can't be bothered arguing anymore because you obviously are NOT putting yourself in the mothers shoes. I'm sure you'd be the same as she is, you would have just gone about it in a different way - like trying to contact the PM somehow.
    The woman IS stupid, why would I put myself in an idiots shoes? I've had letters from companies and people about my father's death. Some were oddly written (like one sent to my mother addressed to Mrs. <father's name> <surname> sent by American uncle), it was a salt in the wound, but hardly anything to over-react or care about. I've had letters with the wrong names on, it takes a few seconds to sort out. If this horrible woman feels the need to act the cow and tell the world, then she's made a fool of herself (and she has, loads of people have found her behaviour appauling, and on another forum I use, swearing was involved, and it came from alot of people who have lost families in wars ). She is a disgrace, there's no denying it. She's receiving a letter in good will, and completely rejected it without even thinking about the content. She's a horrible woman, and doesn't deserve the attention she's getting (even though the majority is bad attention). Heck, on the radio the way it's reported, she is being made to sound like a complete idiot. "A woman has got Gordon Brown to apologize over a spelling mistaking in a letter." It's pathetic, she's pathetic :/

    Quote Originally Posted by BritishTea View Post
    I don't think we should point fingers at anyone tbh.
    The mother is going to be extremely distraught; when my grandma died I attacked everyone and everything. Her son has just died so I think we should give her a break.
    Gordon brown has dyslexia and it was nice of him to send a letter, even if it wasn't a very good one. Something is, after all, better than nothing.
    Considering Gordon Brown has done nothing wrong in this situation, and that this woman has made a complete fool of herself, then yes, fingers should be pointed at a woman who seems to either have too much time on her hands, or not care about her son. If someone wrote a letter saying "Your son is a brave, couragious young man. He will be deeply missed", no-one should ever say "Handwriting is crap, this is an insult" as it kinda suggesting having her son called brave by someone is an insult This letter was not an insult, and hopefully it will be drummed into her. I hope she reads The Sun's website, because alot of people disagree with her and I hope she goes on alot of news forums, because quite alot of them involve swearing and calling her a shambles and disgrace to the honour of her son, and that's coming from alot of wives, mothers, husbands and so on who have lost family in wars.
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    barely an issue. it's not like gordon hasn't had to deal with personal tradgedies, he lost a child and one has cystic fibrosis. it's a miracle cameron and him have even been able to put these things behind them and continued to work as politicians.

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    hey got loads of work to do so didn't read everything but just to point out to those people who are like "ya disrespecting the kid that died" well HOW DARE YOU. HOW VERY ******* DARE you say that to me - someone who has served in the armed forces and has had someone I knew killed and a couple more injured. I am not at all disrespecting him or his mother. If anything she should be the one grieving not worrying about what was actually a thoughtful letter.

    Again. HOW DARE YOU :@
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    If I got a scrappy letter like that, I'd be like "well, he could have put some effort into it" but it's the thought that counts. And hardly something to moan to the news about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I wouldn't call the woman vile/unhuman compared to Gordon Brown and more so Tony Blair, because all she did was make a petty complaint about a letter, whereas they sent her son to his death for no reason what so ever. That is my point, and its pretty simple; a unjust war which causes death is far more important to be moaning about than a womans opinions on a letter.
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    If he doesn't have very good handwriting, fair enough but a letter such as this is pretty important so I would have imagined you'd take the utmost care in making it as presentable as possible rather than like a school report. If there are in fact spelling mistakes, that is unacceptable regardless of any medical conditions; I'm pretty sure the Prime Minister isn't short of people to proof read a letter for him. Likewise with where he spelled the name wrong and had to go over the last letter; if I made a mistake like that on any letter/greeting card I'd automatically start over on a new sheet of paper.

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    Kinda difficult for a man who is busy and has to write things all the time. And Undertaker's quote seems to have nothing to do with what you said

    It's amazing he even personally writes these letters. The Queen apparently has someone else do it for her :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by GommeInc View Post
    Kinda difficult for a man who is busy and has to write things all the time. And Undertaker's quote seems to have nothing to do with what you said

    It's amazing he even personally writes these letters. The Queen apparently has someone else do it for her :S
    I know lol, but his quote was part of what I wanted to say, so it saved repeating him and I just added the rest of my comment under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolves, View Post

    Imagine your son had just died in a war that we shouldn't even be fighting, and then the PM of the country sends you a letter looking like that? terrible handwriting, pathetic spelling, 5cm spaces between words and saying that you're son is 'ONLY ONE OF 220'? how would that make YOU feel? I mean come on, my 5 year old brother could write better than that - and to a women who has just lost her son to a NON-WORTHY cause, it is DISGUSTING.

    To all you people saying 'this woman is pathetic, she should be grateful' just shut up, just shut up, just do it now. That's a pathetic excuse of a comment, she has just lost her son, how do you think she'd feel reading that pile of crap?

    She has EVERYTHING to complain about, if he has bad eye site and whatnot then he should have got someone else to write it. Bad eye sight or not - I'm sure he has glasses? then is no excuse for such a pathetic insult.

    Some of you people commenting in here saying 'whats she complaining about!!!' should be disgusted with yourselves. It's people like you who are driving this country down even deeper into darkness.
    ooo maybe mr. brown has more important things to do than right a letter to lots of different people

    maybe he could just sit in his office and do that

    but no, he tries to be nice, and he gets flamed

    damnit if you've got something against him, yet he tries to be nice, you shouldn't really complain
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