The BNP - Good or Bad?

[Seatherny]

No I would frankly not care, I do not know you and you do not know me. This is a Habbo forum with teenagers on, and if you are going to get upset on a Habbo forum then you really are going to struggle in life aren't you.

Where does the question of me getting upset come from? And frankly, I am not a teenager and neither are some others who have replied, please do not make a statement without knowing the facts.
And you say you wont care, but I am sure you will and so will your family. Anyone, who has 1000 people outside their house shouting hatred comments will care. Anyone who says they wont are liars and that's the fact.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm pretty confident those statistics do exist, the situation is not as bad as you think and the government have not created it all. Immigration within the EU is not controlled by them, they have no say in it.

That is why I support leaving the European Union.

No, I don't think it should be illegal. I think it's morally unnacceptable. As I said before, Nick Griffin is inconsequential to me, his opinions mean zilch to me.

..then we agree, so whats the problem?

And seen as though you seem to think you can cast aspertions on my character, I shall on yours. If you're seriously saying you wouldn't care if someone targeted you and your family like that you're a liar.

The example of somebody saying stuff to me on a forum was given, I would not care if it was on this forum. So no, i'm not a liar. You however have a knack for twisting my words into something they are not.

[Seatherny]

Denial of a historical event is nothing like the examples you have given.

Reply to what I asked you to reply to.

I have replied, but again you fail to see it.
I will say this again in the hope you do not ignore it yet again, your argument is that freedom of speech should be limitless. I have showed you clearly why it shouldn't be.
The denial of historical event debate is continuing as you believe the freedom of speech should be limitless. I disagree.

And actually denial of a historical event such as the holocaust is very much like the extreme example I gave and I explained in that post very clearly why it is.

[Tash.]

That is why I support leaving the European Union.



..then we agree, so whats the problem?



The example of somebody saying stuff to me on a forum was given, I would not care if it was on this forum. So no, i'm not a liar. You however have a knack for twisting my words into something they are not.

I'm not getting into a debate with you over the EU but lets just say our opinions on that point differ too.

And no we do not agree, I would never argue that he should be ok to say those things. You seem to be arguing otherwise.

And no he didn't mean on the forum, he was saying in real life if someone came into your street spouting lies and hatred about you and your loved ones would you care? Everybody would, it's in human nature to defend what they love. I haven't twisted anything you've said actually, you did that all by yourself.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Where does the question of me getting upset come from? And frankly, I am not a teenager and neither are some others who have replied, please do not make a statement without knowing the facts.
And you say you wont care, but I am sure you will and so will your family. Anyone, who has 1000 people outside their house shouting hatred comments will care. Anyone who says they wont are liars and that's the fact.

This forum is aimed at teenagers, thats why the generalisation that this forum is for teenagers is just basic common sense.

Nick Griffin is not shouting outside the relatives of holocaust victims houses hatred.

I have replied, but again you fail to see it.
I will say this again in the hope you do not ignore it yet again, your argument is that freedom of speech should be limitless. I have showed you clearly why it shouldn't be.
The denial of historical event debate is continuing as you believe the freedom of speech should be limitless. I disagree.

And actually denial of a historical event such as the holocaust is very much like the extreme example I gave and I explained in that post very clearly why it is.

I have not said it should be limitless, I am merely saying that denial of the holocaust should be allowed as that is not hatred whereas racism and homophobia are.

And no we do not agree, I would never argue that he should be ok to say those things. You seem to be arguing otherwise.

..so wait, are you now saying they should be illegal? :S

And no he didn't mean on the forum, he was saying in real life if someone came into your street spouting lies and hatred about you and your loved ones would you care? Everybody would, it's in human nature to defend what they love. I haven't twisted anything you've said actually, you did that all by yourself.

In real life I would care yes, however Nick Griffin is not on the streets shouting at the relatives of holocaust victims is he.

[Seatherny]

IAnd no he didn't mean on the forum, he was saying in real life if someone came into your street spouting lies and hatred about you and your loved ones would you care? Everybody would, it's in human nature to defend what they love. I haven't twisted anything you've said actually, you did that all by yourself.

I thought I clearly wrote on his street. There are no "streets" on a forum so it is common sense to assume I meant in real life. How he failed to see it is beyond me. Like I said, he ignores half of what I say as he knows I am right and he is unable to prove me wrong.

[Tash.]

This forum is aimed at teenagers, thats why the generalisation that this forum is for teenagers is just basic common sense.

Nick Griffin is not shouting outside the relatives of holocaust victims houses hatred.



I have not said it should be limitless, I am merely saying that denial of the holocaust should be allowed as that is not hatred whereas racism and homophobia are.

..so wait, are you now saying they should be illegal?

Maybe not deliberately no, but he was actually in court a few weeks ago trying to get an asian man convicted of racial hatred against him. This is despite the fact Nick Griffin was at the time stood doing a demonstration in Bradford for the BNP. To me if you're going to do that you're asking for anything you get.

No, i'm going to say this once more, because saying it anymore would be waste of my time because it doesn't appear to be getting through. I believe it is morally unacceptable for him to say these things. I would never argue that he should say these things and I would never encourage anyone to say such things. I don't want it to be outlawed, and I don't want it to result in a prison sentence or any other punishment apart from a public rebute.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Maybe not deliberately no, but he was actually in court a few weeks ago trying to get an asian man convicted of racial hatred against him. This is despite the fact Nick Griffin was at the time stood doing a demonstration in Bradford for the BNP. To me if you're going to do that you're asking for anything you get.

Nick Griffin was not being racist/homophobic at that demonstration as no charges were brought against him, so i'll ask again; is Nick Griffin standing outside peoples' houses shouting the holocaust didn't happen?

[Seatherny]

This forum is aimed at teenagers, thats why the generalisation that this forum is for teenagers is just basic common sense.

Nick Griffin is not shouting outside the relatives of holocaust victims houses hatred.

Its aimed at teenagers, but many members who join in 2004-2005 aren't now. There are more females in this country than males, I am going to assume you are a female and so is everyone I see on the street.

And he is not shouting directly outside their houses, but he says it on the TV and that is being shown on most TV's in this country, so indirectly he is.

[MrPinkPanther]

That is outright hatred, denial of the holocaust is nothing like the examples you have given.

Even though its not direct and as obvious hatred as racism or homophobia its still going to effect people in the same way is it not? Many older people talk of how they saw their families murdered by the Nazis and their skulls crushed, what gives ANYONE the right to bring this back up and torment them with it saying it never happened.

You know after camps were liberated they took people from the local villages down to view the bodies. It is impossible to say it never happened when there are hundreds of thousands of people who have seen the atrocities first hand and even some who committed it.