The BNP - Good or Bad?

[-:Undertaker:-]

But your argument is that freedom of speech should not have limits, but you say hatred should not be allowed again and again, but you are just contradicting yourself.
If freedom of speech should have no limits, a person should be allowed to say whatever they want, even if its hatred.

I have not said that freedom of speech should not have any limits. I am saying that making holocaust denial illegal is one step too far.

[MrPinkPanther]

it isn't freedom of speech if its restricted!

I have not said that freedom of speech should not have any limits. I am saying that making holocaust denial illegal is one step too far.

Less than an hour apart.

[Seatherny]

I have not said that freedom of speech should not have any limits. I am saying that making holocaust denial illegal is one step too far.

Denying the holocaust is indirectly spreading hatred.
It is denying the terrible things that happened. I am going to presume you haven't lost a family member who you knew and loved in the holocaust. If you did, you would be against what Nick Griffin says.
Holocaust involved torture. If for example, a member of your family was tortured, then killed and you had video evidence of it all, and someone said that never happened, how would you feel?
I am having to use extreme examples to try and get you to see why your argument is flawed in everyway.

Less than an hour apart.

Thank you, I was sure he has said it. He is just contradicting himself. Some people hate being proved wrong.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Less than an hour apart.

The law takes place over freedom of speech if its protecting somebody, there is nobody to protest from holocaust denial. Holocaust denial does not target any specific people, it only challenges the widely accepted historical view, one which I accept.

Denying the holocaust is indirectly spreading hatred.
It is denying the terrible things that happened. I am going to presume you haven't lost a family member who you knew and loved in the holocaust. If you did, you would be against what Nick Griffin says.
Holocaust involved torture. If for example, a member of your family was tortured, then killed and you had video evidence of it all, and someone said that never happened, how would you feel?
I am having to use extreme examples to try and get you to see why your argument is flawed in everyway.

Who is is indirectly spreading hatred against?

I am against what Nick Griffin says on the holocaust as it stands, the holocaust happened and I accept that, why can you not understand that?

[MrPinkPanther]

I am having to use extreme examples to try and get you to see why your argument is flawed in everyway.

I'm not being funny or anything but some of your posts have been full of flaws themselves and I personally agree with Undertaker on some of them. You occasionally seem a bit naive.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Thank you, I was sure he has said it. He is just contradicting himself. Some people hate being proved wrong.

I don't mind being proved wrong as long as I am actually proved wrong and its not just somebody like you saying they have proved me wrong when you clearly haven't done anything of the sort - yes my first post was a bit of a pun but yes when directly put against what I said later, it did prove my later quote wrong.

[Seatherny]

I'm not being funny or anything but some of your posts have been full of flaws themselves and I personally agree with Undertaker on some of them. You occasionally seem a bit naive.

Please explain which bit (but I agree my gender example was flawed).
What Nick Griffin says is similar to my example.
He is denying it all, and I am saying if something happened to him and I denied it, he wouldn't be supporting what he is right now.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Please explain which bit (but I agree my gender example was flawed).
What Nick Griffin says is similar to my example.
He is denying it all, and I am saying if something happened to him and I denied it, he wouldn't be supporting what he is right now.

I would, because i'd know my relatives died because their freedom of speech/religion was taken away from them.

[Seatherny]

I would, because i'd know my relatives died because their freedom of speech/religion was taken away from them.

Let me ask you two question to clear up somethings as I am not too sure now if what I think you think is what you actually think.

1. Do you believe the Freedom of Speech should not be limited?
2. Do you agree with Nick Griffin denything the holocaust?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Let me ask you two question to clear up somethings as I am not too sure now if what I think you think is what you actually think.

Ok.

Do you believe the Freedom of Speech should not be limited?

I believe it should only be limited when it involves hatred.

Do you agree with Nick Griffin denything the holocaust?

I do not agree with his opinion on the holocaust, however I agree with his democratic right to do so.