Don't increase post count in Welcome forum

[Black_Apalachi]

@ Rob, congrats forum has always been this way.

And yes, "pointless" one liners are more beneficial.

I'd rather have half-hearted comments added to discussions than "HI WELCOME TO THE FORUM". Even if it's just people adding to discussions "Oh I agree with this", its a lot more beneficial to the discussions and would be keeping the forum active.

You're basically saying you want arguments. People who post like that cause arguments. I still don't see why you would want to discourage people from welcoming new users, especially at a time where the direction of the forum is being questioned.

I'll just say this, if you do change this, please change the little thing that says 'Posts:' as it will be misleading and pointless.

[Seatherny]

You're basically saying you want arguments. People who post like that cause arguments. I still don't see why you would want to discourage people from welcoming new users, especially at a time where the direction of the forum is being questioned.

I'll just say this, if you do change this, please change the little thing that says 'Posts:' as it will be misleading and pointless.

No, we believe that people posting in actual discussions would be much better than a few "Welcome to the forum" posts. If people cant get post counts up by posting there, they will revert to proper discussions.

[Hecktix]

You're basically saying you want arguments. People who post like that cause arguments. I still don't see why you would want to discourage people from welcoming new users, especially at a time where the direction of the forum is being questioned.

I'll just say this, if you do change this, please change the little thing that says 'Posts:' as it will be misleading and pointless.

I'm not saying I want arguments I'm saying I want discussion.

Right, you're an average new user, got 420 posts and realised in 80 posts time you get more privelidges (of a silver member), the easiest way to get those 80 posts quickly would be to boost your normal posting by posting in 5 or 6 welcome threads every so often. If this was not possible, then they'd have to post elsewhere. You'll find for instance, that nobody says "the welcome forum is declining in posts", yet most people say other forums are declining in posts. I'll be honest with you, the welcome forum gets more posts than a lot of other meaningful forums, surely we should be trying to boost the meaningful forums as this would provide a better aura and setting for good discussions?

Speaking of arguments though, some heated discussions certainly wouldn't do this forum any harm.

But seriously, can you not see that someone posting in a discussion saying they agree/disagree is more beneficial then someone saying "hi welcome to the forum".

In all honesty it wouldn't discourage people to post in the welcome forum, people still post in the congrats forum, but it would encourage people to post elsewhere to ensure they get their post count up.

[FlyingJesus]

If the forum is in decline you do not go cutting posting.

What is there that you don't get about post quality? Welcome threads having a couple less posts is not going to make any difference at all to the forums, whereas people being part of threads where an actual opinion is required (for, as you quite rightly said, welcome threads are not for discussions) most certainly is. Even if they go to spam and have fights it'll be better, the forum needs at least something to get onto and keeping people in welcome threads isn't going to bring about any good change.

[-:Undertaker:-]

But we aren't stopping them from saying Hello? They can still say hello if they want to. People mass post in the Welcome forum ONLY to get their post count up. If that way was no longer possible for them, they would have to revert to proper discussions, hence benefiting the forum.

How can I put this simply; post count to many people matters. On getting people to post in other discussions, they won't because if they were interested in them discussions, they would be posting in them aswell as the welcome forum meaning at the moment, they would be getting double the amount of posts.

The new Habbo generation is different. I remember when I was RVR staff around that time, and I know for a fact that the room was not popular. Many things have been tried to get it popular but nothings worked.

If you are telling me that room was not popular then you don't have a memory of it, or were not even around as rare values staff them. The whole of the trading community actually knew the rare values team. I don't wish to seem arrogant but even now when i'm in casinos, I still get people saying 'hey werent/arent you that rare values guy' - soley because of that desk.

I spoke to a trader today who said traders, when it comes to rare values, are now turning back to Habbox. We still have a long way to go with adding rares and generating more interest but something is clicking.

nvrspk4 was crap before, maybe he is better now, if he is then thats great. Jin is bloody awesome, anyone who flames him is an idiot. Simple as.

..then what is the problem?

What is there that you don't get about post quality? Welcome threads having a couple less posts is not going to make any difference at all to the forums, whereas people being part of threads where an actual opinion is required (for, as you quite rightly said, welcome threads are not for discussions) most certainly is. Even if they go to spam and have fights it'll be better, the forum needs at least something to get onto and keeping people in welcome threads isn't going to bring about any good change.

The Welcome Forum is not supposed to be a forum full of quality posts. It does what it says on the bottom, greet new members.

[Black_Apalachi]

No, we believe that people posting in actual discussions would be much better than a few "Welcome to the forum" posts. If people cant get post counts up by posting there, they will revert to proper discussions.

But they won't put any effort into the other posts within discussions anyway so it would just cause arguments!!!!

The equivalent of 'Welcome to forum' is like 'nice alt' or 'yes' in answer to a question. Pointless posts.

[Hecktix]

But they won't put any effort into the other posts within discussions anyway so it would just cause arguments!!!!

The equivalent of 'Welcome to forum' is like 'nice alt' or 'yes' in answer to a question. Pointless posts.

I'd rather have posts like that across the forum than "welcome to the forum"

and like I said earlier, some heated discussions/arguments could do this forum good, which is why as a department moderation has decided to be more leniant on arguments.

[FlyingJesus]

Pointless posts are dealt with by moderation, so anyone doing that would soon stop or at least fake a good post.

[Black_Apalachi]

I'd rather have posts like that across the forum than "welcome to the forum"

and like I said earlier, some heated discussions/arguments could do this forum good, which is why as a department moderation has decided to be more leniant on arguments.

Obviously I don't mean proper discussion type arguments like that, they will just cause 'omg shut up noob' type arguments.

Pointless posts are dealt with by moderation, so anyone doing that would soon stop or at least fake a good post.

Which is why I said I was surprised at Oli and Matt praising the idea as it's just going to create lots more work for them.

I can't believe we're basically discussing whether we should encourage people to post for the sake of the post count :S.

[Hecktix]

We're forgetting the OP's point that this may invite new users to post elsewhere in the forum (which can actually be seen as quite daunting if they are new) rather than the welcome forum.

If the post count isnt counted in the welcome forum then they have to post elsewhere to gain their 5 post approvals.

I'm all for new members posting elsehwere, and to be honest I'm all for a bit of leniance on pointless posting, as long as a post isnt weoiwefipwenfiwe or incredibly off topic I think it should be allowed, even if it is a simple "yes" in response to a question.