Am I to blame for this? (Racism)

[Nemo]

About you getting racial abuse, your a Pakistani living in Manchester. It is bound to happen, pretty much everyone I know doesn't like them for the same reasons as me. No wonder they like to live together, they are probably all sick of getting abuse.

Perhaps thats why they're idiots to you? Because they got so much abuse, they think like you do, and hate all white people, thus causing unreasoned abuse.

But when it comes to idiots spoiling it for the others you are right. There are loads of white scroat bags, vice versa with Indians/Pakistanis but the white ones will always be able to say that it's their country whether they are right or not.

Who cares whos country it is if you're acting like an *******, that should be no excuse.

Thinking about it, there are quite a few of Indians/Pakistanis that I like, it all depends on their attitude. Like when they say "man" a lot, refuse to speak our language,

ive never met a young asian who doesnt speak english.

wear scary headgear

I find that racist.

or act suspicious on a bus/train which can lead you into thinking about terrorists.

Thats your own mind succumbing to the stereotypical views that you have. They arent acting suspcious, they probaly have a beard and a turban and you assume they are terrorists.

[Hecktix]

I know a few people who live in Manchester... yet they don't share the same views as you.

You are taking your experiences with a minute amount of people from other races and generalising to every single person of that race!

When I walk to college there are some god damn annoying chavs, about 11 years old who try to push people out in the road, stand there smoking and swearing at anybody that walks past. All white.

I don't start hating white people because of that, yet you're disliking "Indians/Pakistanis" (as you say) because of a miniscule amount of them have caused trouble for you.

I bet in the duration of your life white people have caused you more trouble than people of other races.

[Jamesy]

I agree with above. You seem to be trying to justify your prejudice of asian people by blaming it on generic reasons that could have come from the worst examples of the Daily Mail.

I find myself looking at your posts with disdain at the horrific way you generalise cultures into one and try to act as if you are on the moral high-ground. You are not, you're just trying to push the blame for you views onto other people when it's you who has this attitude. Free will 'n' all..

[Anamations]

Tbh its a very fine line between racistism and just disliking them. I personally think that what u wrote above is not offencive however i also dont agree its rite for you to steryotype ''Indians/pakistanis'' Its Like any colour skin say if you were pakistani and got on a bus full of white people and you had fights with them thats just because theres many types of those people in the area but all i can say is dont steryotype and be brainwashed and obv dont be racist which you are certianlly not being

[Black_Apalachi]

If we all followed your line of thinking, we'd all hate Germans.

[[Chris]]

What annoys me - Theres ONE pakistani kid in our school, Who trys to dictate other peoples lives - he said - All you do over here is drink and get drunk, Its not like that over in pakistan - So, i put as simple as - GO BACK TO PAKISTAN THEN

I think.. that.. They ALL gain a title for themselves..

I mean, I apparently said something racist. which i didnt.. And i had 30-40 following me about shouting stuff at me and that.. when they wernt even involved.. So.. Yeah

I mean, i have pakistani friends.. So, not all are bad. Just.. They 'take after each other' in a sense..

And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

[Invent]

And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

Not picking on you in particular but I hate it when people say this when in actual fact it's not. Or at least it doesn't effect the person saying it in any way if it were true (such as someone that goes to school).

[Tash.]

Firstly I want to make sure this thread stays clean from any racism. I think I get the perm ban for anything I do wrong now and I have been given a final warning about a racist attitude. I don't want this thread to end up being closed for this post containing racism so I will keep it as clean as possible and I apologise if anything still manages to offend you.

Right, I get called racist on here a lot, I have many, many, many infractions and warnings for posting racist things too. I just want to know if you think it is my fault.

I live in Manchester, there are many parts of Manchester that Indians/Pakistanis have what you could call taken over. They like to all live next to each over and this can stretch to taking over massive areas. In a nice, non offensive way you could say that driving through these areas feels a bit like driving through a different country, India or Pakistan for example. For many patriotic English people this can be quite heart breaking, seeing your country being slowly taken over, bit by bit. Some people may not have a problem with this but my journey to school involves getting on the bus up and down the main road. For several years I have been getting the same bus down the same road and there has always been a muslim school in between my house and school so obviously a lot of them get on/off the bus there. So morning and afternoon on my way to and from school has always involved getting on a bus that is often full of Indians/Pakistanis and this could be the case of were a few spoil it for them all. These troublesome, manor-less, cheeky school children have convinced me that all the people of their race are like them to put it bluntly. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I just don't know. I get the bus alone and have been involved in 2 fights on the bus after them starting on me for no reason whatsoever while I have been sat there minding my own business. Then my parents, they are also a reason that I may appear to be so racist. They have had many bad moments with Indians/Pakistanis in their time and have told me that it's up to me to decide whether or not I like them but have also told me many stories and statistics about them. Then I have had other problems with them. There are 3 Pakistanis in my year, one of them sits next to me in ICT and has shown me pictures of his friends on facebook holding massive, real guns. The way he talks (as do a lot of them) "yeh gee innit man" kind of thing gets on my nerves too (again I don't intend to offend anyone). He once said that all the greatest boxers and singers are muslim which was out of the blue because at the time I think we were talking about football... It was also as if he was trying to say that muslims are better than us etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just like saying "all the best ____ are catholics"? You just wouldn't say something like that, especially in a place full of people who are not the same religion. I have had many encounters with Indians and Pakistanis and they have always been bad, it has turned me into someone that dislikes Indians and Pakistanis which is not fair. I know some very nice ones and even they agree that a few spoil it for the rest. This has all lead me to automatically dislike any of them which is indeed stupid and unfair towards them.

I apologize again if any of this may sound offensive but I have done my best to write this in a way that isn't offensive.

So is this really my fault? There are many other people like me and It annoys me when people say that they hate me because I am racist when I personally don't think it's my fault. Also, is racist really the right word? Racist means to call someone because of the colour of their skin and I am talking about their Nationality. I have never called an Indian/Pakistani because of their skin and wouldn't see the point in doing so, it's just skin.

From what you've wrote here, I think you're just very impressionable. You've allowed certain incidents to colour your views on a whole race of people, millions of people who are not all the same. You've now seen what Saurav's experiences with racism have been and in comparison to yours they are disgusting. The thing with racism is you've got to realise it works both ways. You supposedly don't like the way they behave toward this country and towards you, but i'm pretty sure they don't enjoy your behaviour and attitudes. You're grouping together two nationalities repeatedly (indian/pakistani) who really have little in common apart from the border they share and their skin colour. If someone from these countries grouped you together with the french/germans/polish/any eastern european nationality you would be less than pleased and you would accuse them of racism yet you're claiming innocence and doing exactly that. I actually think you're not only racist you're a xenophobe especially with reference to the part in bold.

About you getting racial abuse, your a Pakistani living in Manchester. It is bound to happen, pretty much everyone I know doesn't like them for the same reasons as me. No wonder they like to live together, they are probably all sick of getting abuse. But when it comes to idiots spoiling it for the others you are right. There are loads of white scroat bags, vice versa with Indians/Pakistanis but the white ones will always be able to say that it's their country whether they are right or not. Thinking about it, there are quite a few of Indians/Pakistanis that I like, it all depends on their attitude. Like when they say "man" a lot, refuse to speak our language, wear scary headgear or act suspicious on a bus/train which can lead you into thinking about terrorists. There are many problems, we are bound to have problems when mixing two extremely different types of people together but we will all just have to manage (unless the BNP come into power of course).

Again, you're concentrating on very mainstream prejudices here. You are actually scared of seeing anyone on a train/bus who is of asian appearance by the sounds of it, so basically however they behave you will deduce that something they are doing is suspicious. And the part at the end about the BNP I think sums it up. The BNP claim to be a non-racist party, yet their followers appear to be under the assumption that they are willing to get rid of all people different to us 'british'.. curious that is.

What annoys me - Theres ONE pakistani kid in our school, Who trys to dictate other peoples lives - he said - All you do over here is drink and get drunk, Its not like that over in pakistan - So, i put as simple as - GO BACK TO PAKISTAN THEN

I think.. that.. They ALL gain a title for themselves..

I mean, I apparently said something racist. which i didnt.. And i had 30-40 following me about shouting stuff at me and that.. when they wernt even involved.. So.. Yeah

I mean, i have pakistani friends.. So, not all are bad. Just.. They 'take after each other' in a sense..

And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

@the part in bold - the thing is, he's right. People such as you and mint witter on about how they are taking over our great country, overruling our wonderful values when infact our country has gone to the dogs. All certain youths do seem to do is get drunk for fun, so i'm not surprised if I can see this that he can. Simply saying "If you don't like it go back to your own country" isn't going to fix anything. If all non-white, non-british people were removed from this country the problems would remain the same. Impoverished young white people will still continue to get pregnant, take drugs and get drunk whilst not contributing to society and taking benefits. I think it's just time people such as you see that the problems are not all to do with immigrants.

@the red bit no it hasn't been taken over. Thats just something you've taken from the media who sensationalise things like this and make them sound so much worse than they actually are (aka the Daily Mail). Our laws are the same as they were when immigration was not so popular, our values have developed in the same way. Please try to think about what you're saying before you say it.

[Seatherny]

And tbh, Im fed up of our country being taken over.

I am sure Iraq and Afghanistan feel the same way.

Again, you're concentrating on very mainstream prejudices here. You are actually scared of seeing anyone on a train/bus who is of asian appearance by the sounds of it, so basically however they behave you will deduce that something they are doing is suspicious.

You are white, so you must be a Nazi or a German.

[Hitman]

I am sure Iraq and Afghanistan feel the same way.



You are white, so you must be a Nazi or a German.

I've not got a lot to say about the topic overall, I said my opinions in another topic. But the part in bold is totally different. The UK & US troops are there helping their country... pushing back the Taliban and helping to secure their countries. OK, I imagine many of them do not want us there but many will. Another thing is, the troops will one day leave their country.