EU President says world government is the ultimate goal

[Hitman]

Illuminati, anyone?

[alexxxxx]

The new head of UKIP does not rule the lives of 500 million people now, does he?

The Council President has no power over 500 million people, yet i haven't seen anything to suggest that Pearson is to step down from the house of lords (if that's possible being a life-peer) and get elected into the commons (or even into the european parliament) so he has some sort of mandate from the country.

According to this, Pearson uses both houses equally. However I hope he's being investigated and if anything is found, he like all the others should all be thrown out of their jobs straight away and criminal trials brought if needed.

I've seen other sources suggesting that in a business (possibly tax) document he made it clear that his main residence was in London.

EDIT: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1833152.html

Fiddling with the tax system..

..why are a party which represent a lot of things the majority want, a joke?

Because of the way it is run.

I would argue it is your opinion on the European Union which is the joke, because you claim to support democracy I assume, yet refuse to support thre case for a referendum and we later found out you are a european federalist. What gives you and other europhiles the right to impose a superstate on this country?

Then everyone should vote for UKIP if they represent a lot of things the majority want! That's democracy also. Going by you, we'll be out of the european union by this time next year.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Council President has no power over 500 million people, yet i haven't seen anything to suggest that Pearson is to step down from the house of lords (if that's possible being a life-peer) and get elected into the commons (or even into the european parliament) so he has some sort of mandate from the country.

The President does have the power over 500 million people, him and his team and the EU in general already decide how 84% of our laws are made and what they are, this President, as Sarkozy and Merkel have said before - will put the EU on the world stage with the USA, PROC and others.

I've seen other sources suggesting that in a business (possibly tax) document he made it clear that his main residence was in London.

That needs to be proven then, and if it is then criminal charges should potentially be brought against him and any other MP, Lord or MEP who has fiddled expenses as its not acceptable. In the United Kingdom we have a thing called innocent until proven guilty, which apparently differs from Europe according to a poster on here not long ago.

Because of the way it is run.

It is run fine, it has gone from being a small party to a party which came second on the European Parliamentary Elections, not to mention its achieving its aim which is to bring the EU issue to the front of politics whereas the main parties would rather ignore it.

Then everyone should vote for UKIP if they represent a lot of things the majority want! That's democracy also. Going by you, we'll be out of the european union by this time next year.

If we had a PR system which is a fair electoral system, UKIP would be in opposition - fact. As UKIP came 2nd in the Euro Elections, so maybe Europhiles like yourself should now listen to the people over the issue of the European Union?

[alexxxxx]

The President does have the power over 500 million people, him and his team and the EU in general already decide how 84% of our laws are made and what they are, this President, as Sarkozy and Merkel have said before - will put the EU on the world stage with the USA, PROC and others.

wrong wrong wrong wrong

That needs to be proven then, and if it is then criminal charges should potentially be brought against him and any other MP, Lord or MEP who has fiddled expenses as its not acceptable. In the United Kingdom we have a thing called innocent until proven guilty, which apparently differs from Europe according to a poster on here not long ago.

What he's done is not illegal, it's just incredibly unethical and somewhat ironic that an unelected official can claim so much off the state, something he himself compains about in the EU itself.

If we had a PR system which is a fair electoral system, UKIP would be in opposition - fact. As UKIP came 2nd in the Euro Elections, so maybe Europhiles like yourself should now listen to the people over the issue of the European Union?

UKIP may have come second, but Conservative + Labour + Lib Dem + Green> UKIP, all pro-eu parties.

[-:Undertaker:-]

wrong wrong wrong wrong

How is it wrong? - top EU officals, the French President and the German Chancellor (big europhiles) have all said it. Either the EU itself is telling lies or you are telling lies.

What he's done is not illegal, it's just incredibly unethical and somewhat ironic that an unelected official can claim so much off the state, something he himself compains about in the EU itself.

It is not proven, as I said before; if he was found out to be in the wrong then he should be tried.

UKIP may have come second, but Conservative + Labour + Lib Dem + Green> UKIP, all pro-eu parties.

Actually.

UKIP - anti-EU.
Conservatives - split, although main party more eurosceptic.
BNP - anti-EU.
Labour - pro-EU.
Liberal Democrats - pro-EU.

..considering UKIP came second above the ruling pro-EU Labour Party, I would say that shows something when it comes to public opinion on the European Union. The fact that you yourself do not support a referendum of any sort on the European Union shows that you yourself also realise that if the British people were given a vote on it, we would leave the EU.

[alexxxxx]

How is it wrong? - top EU officals, the French President and the German Chancellor (big europhiles) have all said it. Either the EU itself is telling lies or you are telling lies.

THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAS NO FORMAL POWER OVER THE PEOPLE OF THE EU. FACT.

Is pearson going to step down from the house of lords?

It is not proven, as I said before; if he was found out to be in the wrong then he should be tried.

He's done nothing illegal, just unethical. Like I said.

Actually.

UKIP - anti-EU.
Conservatives - split, although main party more eurosceptic.
BNP - anti-EU.
Labour - pro-EU.
Liberal Democrats - pro-EU.

..considering UKIP came second above the ruling pro-EU Labour Party, I would say that shows something when it comes to public opinion on the European Union. The fact that you yourself do not support a referendum of any sort on the European Union shows that you yourself also realise that if the British people were given a vote on it, we would leave the EU.

Well done. And the votes for UKIP and BNP are less than Labour + Lib Dem + Conservative (who pretend to be anti-eu, but whilst watching the shadow foreign minister (or it might have been europe) he did not seem as eurosceptic as they claim, more to do with becoming more pro-active and trying to make them do what we want, which we should be doing anyway). That's how PR works which you claim is a 'fairer' system.

[-:Undertaker:-]

THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAS NO FORMAL POWER OVER THE PEOPLE OF THE EU. FACT.

..then why have the EU, French President and German Chancellor all said that the EU President will have a powerful new role?

Is pearson going to step down from the house of lords?

Lord Pearson isn't stepping down from the House of Lords - and why should he? - just like UKIP itself fights European Elections, to make a difference.

He's done nothing illegal, just unethical. Like I said.

If you are taking taxpayer money by bending the rules then that is stealing.

Well done. And the votes for UKIP and BNP are less than Labour + Lib Dem + Conservative (who pretend to be anti-eu, but whilst watching the shadow foreign minister (or it might have been europe) he did not seem as eurosceptic as they claim, more to do with becoming more pro-active and trying to make them do what we want, which we should be doing anyway).

The Conservative Party is anti-EU, however the top of the party for some reason chooses to ignore the public and the party over the issue of Europe. Europe brought down Thatcher and until it is sorted, it could well cost Cameron an election and if it does, good.

UKIP got more than any pro-EU party, any party which supports the federalisation of Europe and the introduction of the Lisbon Treaty. Maybe you would like to re-consider whether or not we should have a referendum on Lisbon, because a small anti-EU party and a anti-Lisbon party have just beaten all others opponents.

That's how PR works which you claim is a 'fairer' system.

It is a fairer system, if you give the people a direct vote on something like the Lisbon Treaty - the outcome is what the people want. This is unlike a parliamentary system like we have now, where the 3 maim parties maintain a monopoly on power and once they are voted in can easily choose to backtrack on their promises (Labour 2005 manifesto pledge on Lisbon).

You do not support direct democracy because you know the outcomes would be the opposite of your own socialist and federalist views.

[alexxxxx]

..then why have the EU, French President and German Chancellor all said that the EU President will have a powerful new role?

Because they need to show that the post is worth having (which it is). Read the damn treaty and find out yourself. I have read that section!

Lord Pearson isn't stepping down from the House of Lords - and why should he? - just like UKIP itself fights European Elections, to make a difference.

Because he is the leader of a party going into a general election. He should be elected just like the rest of his wannabe MPs. He will have no mandate to be prime minister if by some fluke, UKIP win.

If you are taking taxpayer money by bending the rules then that is stealing.

Then he stole in my eyes.

The Conservative Party is anti-EU, however the top of the party for some reason chooses to ignore the public and the party over the issue of Europe. Europe brought down Thatcher and until it is sorted, it could well cost Cameron an election and if it does, good.

The tories are clearly cautious about the EU, which they have every right to be, but they are not in any way anti-eu. They are for big business, freemarkets and the like, exactly what the EU stands for. They might dislike some of the things they do, but they are not anti-eu.

UKIP got more than any pro-EU party, any party which supports the federalisation of Europe and the introduction of the Lisbon Treaty. Maybe you would like to re-consider whether or not we should have a referendum on Lisbon, because a small anti-EU party and a anti-Lisbon party have just beaten all others opponents.

It is a fairer system, if you give the people a direct vote on something like the Lisbon Treaty - the outcome is what the people want. This is unlike a parliamentary system like we have now, where the 3 maim parties maintain a monopoly on power and once they are voted in can easily choose to backtrack on their promises (Labour 2005 manifesto pledge on Lisbon).

You do not support direct democracy because you know the outcomes would be the opposite of your own socialist and federalist views.

You obviously fail to understand what PR is. Almost every european country has PR apart from us.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Because they need to show that the post is worth having (which it is). Read the damn treaty and find out yourself. I have read that section!

The treaty cannot be read, to fully read the Lisbon Treaty you would have to have next to you all the existing treaties and legislation, and sift through it one by one as its not a treaty, its just a list of amendments to existing regulations which now allow those areas to grow without another treaty being made.

Because he is the leader of a party going into a general election. He should be elected just like the rest of his wannabe MPs. He will have no mandate to be prime minister if by some fluke, UKIP win.

He does not have any power over anybodys lives as UKIP leader, if UKIP were to win by a fluke (although they'd be in opposition if we had a fair voting system) then he would obviously step down, as it just wouldn't be acceptable or accepted that he could possibly stay as leader. The rumours are anyway that Pearson is merely a caretaker leader while Farage fights Bercows seat.

Then he stole in my eyes.

..then like the rest of them, they all need to be investigated by the police and whatever action taken that fits the crime.

The tories are clearly cautious about the EU, which they have every right to be, but they are not in any way anti-eu. They are for big business, freemarkets and the like, exactly what the EU stands for. They might dislike some of the things they do, but they are not anti-eu.

When you say a Tory, do you mean Michael Heseltine, Kenneth Clarke and David Cameron? - they are not Conservatives i'm afraid but the sad thing is that Cameron only got his job because he was seen as Tony Two. The Conservative Party as a whole is anti-EU.

You obviously fail to understand what PR is. Almost every european country has PR apart from us.

I understand fully well what PR is, and how direct democracy (true democracy) works. Has it not occured to you (a federalist and a socialist) that we have never been asked to be part of this European Union? - even the French President admitted that if his country were to be given a referendum on Europe or the Lisbon Treaty it would be dead as soon as them poll results came through.

A disgrace to democracy by the left wing facists who have found another way to control our lives via the European Union.

As Gorbachev asked, why are we re-creating the Soviet Union in western Europe???? :S

[Agnostic Bear]

Hey undertaker if you care so much why not stop ranting about it and go do something?