Forum going down hill?

[xxMATTGxx]

you need to tell iadam that you have changed the moderation

i double posted by mistake and reported my post within like 10seconds and got a usernote

We haven't told them to change anything regarding double posting. The only new polices that they are now following is regarding arguments and opening/closing on the forums.

[hah]

We haven't told them to change anything regarding double posting. The only new polices that they are now following is regarding arguments and opening/closing on the forums.

I tough you was been more lenient.. dont expect you to do much with him anyways :rolleyes:

..im surprised you're not sick of all his mistakes

[xxMATTGxx]

I tough you was been more lenient.. dont expect you to do much with him anyways :rolleyes:

..im surprised you're not sick of all his mistakes

You posted:

you need to tell iadam that you have changed the moderation

I then replied telling you that we didn't tell them to change anything about double posting polices. But looking at it, you did report the post saying sorry etc. So maybe you shouldn't of got that usernote after all.

[hah]

yeah i agreee

[GommeInc]

When they used to make debates, they were okay, but to save themselves from making crap ones they simply did not post anymore. Official Debates are useless anyway, management and members are no smarter than each other, so allowing members to have their own is no different to official ones - how are they to be advertised and promoted without spamming inboxes and doing that annoying "Habbox Forum wants you to look at something" (vbulletin problem though, hopefully a new update will make it so that these notifications appear under notifications e.g. where private messages and visitor messagers are located and announced).

What if official debates are picked out from member ones? Saves all the added and unneeded leg work then, when a member debate is added that looks as though it maybe interesting (that's before someone with the intelligence of a pea thinks an argument is a bad thing), move it to the main forum area (Debates being the main forum, Member Debates being a sub-forum) so it gets recognised. Having a member of management or a special person do it, just keeps this divide that "Management know best" when they're as dumb and stupid as the rest of us.

---- SO in short, "official" or "recognisable" debates should be picked out from Members, IF a member has an interesting topic to debate all over.

[Hecktix]

When they used to make debates, they were okay, but to save themselves from making crap ones they simply did not post anymore. Official Debates are useless anyway, management and members are no smarter than each other, so allowing members to have their own is no different to official ones - how are they to be advertised and promoted without spamming inboxes and doing that annoying "Habbox Forum wants you to look at something" (vbulletin problem though, hopefully a new update will make it so that these notifications appear under notifications e.g. where private messages and visitor messagers are located and announced).

What if official debates are picked out from member ones? Saves all the added and unneeded leg work then, when a member debate is added that looks as though it maybe interesting (that's before someone with the intelligence of a pea thinks an argument is a bad thing), move it to the main forum area (Debates being the main forum, Member Debates being a sub-forum) so it gets recognised. Having a member of management or a special person do it, just keeps this divide that "Management know best" when they're as dumb and stupid as the rest of us.

---- SO in short, "official" or "recognisable" debates should be picked out from Members, IF a member has an interesting topic to debate all over.

I back this idea, very good suggestion. It's also letting the members put something into the forum too, which is good.

[Immenseman]

http://boardreader.com/sp/Habbox_UK_Forum_19111.html

That's depressing. It's a drastic change from what it was. People can grasp at suggestions for the slump as they please. I don't know the answer. One thing I know it isn't is the "time of the year". This time last year and for the last few years it hasn't been as dead as it is now. I provided the link to boardreader because to be top on an average week for the last 6 months you'd have to be 400+.

Now it's like 100, there have been times when it's been over 1500 (admittedly i'm the only one who has got that) but a few people have passed the 1000+ mark. At the end of the day a forum literally needs only a handful of people who contribute across the whole forum to make it active. CHF has this and it's far more active than HxF (amount of posts and posts per thread). Yet it has a smaller user base.

That makes me think it's not the amount of people which is the issue but rather the amount of exciting threads and in general exciting things for users to do. I would like to see bigger events. Even if that meant having less. You go to an event and it's not new people playing that are going to sign up to Habbox it's all habbox people. It's the same sort of "gang" if you like that all go. It's fun for them but it doesn't aid Habbox at all.

I'd much rather see daily competitions, posted in announcements so all people could see. For example, it could be Mike posting an image and telling people to PM him the best caption. Whoever wins can have 1HC or 15 reputation points. The prize can be discussed but I think it's a reasonable idea to make the forum a generally more exciting place to be. At the moment it's just drab and mundane and has been for quite a while.

Also, I think those who consider themselves as older members need to get over themselves a bit. Just because you've been here from 04-06 or whatever it doesn't make you any better. (I think Graham touched upon this). It's actually this group of users who ruin it in my opinion. Other forums have changed with the times, this one hasn't because of certain people who are scared of change. I include management in this category (general not dept.). They forget this is a HABBO forum and HxF will attract users from HABBO - therefore we need to make this a forum that 13/14 year olds are going to enjoy. Being the biggest forum doesn't have the wow factor when it's about as entertaining as Alan Carr's Chatty Man. Like P-A suggested we need to have forum groups that can be user made, forum badges, let people argue (providing no insulting) and merge ALL double posts (not just from users you like). Just examples of s few things to make the forum a nicer place.

Another point is that management do not use Habbo. OK, sierk that's fine - he hasn't for years - not an issue. Now, all other fansites which have more influence on Habbo have management who are followed and adored. I don't think you realise how influential well known Habbos actually are on the client. For example, Paul and Soph are well known on the UK and they got their site official status just through advertising. I hate their site yet people use it just because of their "fame" or whatever. CH has SkaterChu, the most well known Habbo, as well as Jemmwah and Barmi. HFFM has Carnio etc. Habbox has nobody who even uses Habbo on a regular basis. It used to, no longer. Other sites know this is a way to aid their site, Habbox hasn't clocked on to this because the site in general is so conservative. I know you won't ever change this because it goes against what did work (from 04-08) and you think you can turn it around by altering forum rules on a weekly basis.

As much as I respect Nvrspk4 as a person I think he has to shoulder some of the blame, some of his choices have been ridiculous and he's hesistant to ensure he doesn't upset people. I can't really elaborate here without being critical of individuals and staff appointments which isn't appropriate. When the forum was popular with 8freak8 and ---MAD--- they didn't care about upsetting people. He does. I don't think Jin does either but from what I've been told (I don't know him well so could be wrong) he has a job and uni to think about so maybe isn't the best person to continue running Habbox. When I have worked with him he's good at what he does and always provides a view on things but whether he can continue to put the amount of time into Habbox that he is atm is a different matter. It needs new leadership but I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate to be GM material. It needs a brave decision. It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum.

Anyway, that's not at all coherent it's just some things thrown together in the space of a few minutes. If I'm being completely honest, I think even still management are hesitating and waiting for 2010. Why? If they're busy get new people in. Some things could change straight away and we could see the benefits in the early part of 2010. As it is nothing is going to happen until then so we won't see the benefits until Q2 of next year by which time it'll have got worse.

/two cents

[-:Undertaker:-]

As much as I respect Nvrspk4 as a person I think he has to shoulder some of the blame, some of his choices have been ridiculous and he's hesistant to ensure he doesn't upset people. I can't really elaborate here without being critical of individuals and staff appointments which isn't appropriate. When the forum was popular with 8freak8 and ---MAD--- they didn't care about upsetting people. He does. I don't think Jin does either but from what I've been told (I don't know him well so could be wrong) he has a job and uni to think about so maybe isn't the best person to continue running Habbox. When I have worked with him he's good at what he does and always provides a view on things but whether he can continue to put the amount of time into Habbox that he is atm is a different matter. It needs new leadership but I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate to be GM material. It needs a brave decision. It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum.

That is good management, not bad. 8Freak8 and ---MAD--- ruled in my opinion, in the most arrogant way possible which was that if you were not on their 'side' or in their 'group', you were on the other side and thus an 'enemy' of Habbox, whereas the real situation was that people wanted Habbox to change and open up, not fail and end up closing.

[FlyingJesus]

I provided the link to boardreader because to be top on an average week for the last 6 months you'd have to be 400+.
Now it's like 100, there have been times when it's been over 1500 (admittedly i'm the only one who has got that) but a few people have passed the 1000+ mark.

That is pretty terrible tbh, I don't think I've ever been on the top posters list and for me to be on there with a mere 71 in a week is awful. If an average of 10 posts per day can make you one of the top 10 most active then that really shows how much needs to be done.

At the end of the day a forum literally needs only a handful of people who contribute across the whole forum to make it active. CHF has this and it's far more active than HxF (amount of posts and posts per thread). Yet it has a smaller user base.

Contribute well would be a better statement, I'm sure you remember when Kyle used to reply to every single post on the forum and that didn't do anything to help

we need to have forum groups that can be user made, forum badges, let people argue (providing no insulting) and merge ALL double posts (not just from users you like).

Can't say anything about double posts as I don't see many anyway, but I know moderation on arguments has just been made more lenient so that's a good start. Not overly keen on badges but I know a lot of other people are, so maybe that could be an idea. They can definitely be messy but if they only showed on profiles rather than in postbits, or were very small in postbits, I can't see it being a major problem as long as there aren't thousands of them being thrown around.

User made forum groups I agree with to an extent - I think rather than allow them to be made willy-nilly (lol willy) they could be applied for an management have to approve their creation, otherwise it gets overcrowded and useless like the people on facebook who join every single group under the sun. This way the groups would also be somewhat more official and less open to abuse.

Another point is that management do not use Habbo.
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Habbox has nobody who even uses Habbo on a regular basis. It used to, no longer. Other sites know this is a way to aid their site, Habbox hasn't clocked on to this because the site in general is so conservative. I know you won't ever change this because it goes against what did work (from 04-08) and you think you can turn it around by altering forum rules on a weekly basis.

I think this is really a problem to do with the "mature" attitude that Habbox tries to give off. Most members of upper management are older than our target demographic and younger members often won't be promoted to the higher positions simply because they lack the mentality of the others - not a criticism as such, as obviously it's important for management to get on and be on a similar wavelength, but it's an observation that does need taking into consideration. I'm by no means saying they should suddenly give over admin control to a group of 12 year olds, but a Habbo presence is definitely needed and this isn't happening at the moment.

It needs new leadership but I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate to be GM material. It needs a brave decision. It doesn't have to be someone who is management at the moment - someone who is active and enjoys the forum.

Not too sure if nvr is going to stay around (looks like even he isn't sure) but I think Jin would do fine if he did end up leaving. What I think is really lacking more than an active GM is a Community AGM, as this would also cover the last point about getting around on Habbo and becoming more of a presence like the old days. Rare values dept are apparently rebuilding and getting things going again after some hiccoughs, so then we need someone to get campaigns and such for the hotel itself to notice us again.

[Nixt]

I very much agree Habbox needs a kind of Fansite Representative on Habbo. It is very important that someone well known on Habbo is seen around promoting Habbox quite a lot, combined with an advertising drive on Habbo and a change in the way we attract our members this would be a very effective way of gaining new members.

This leads me onto agreeing to your next point in regard to General Management. If we are to have a fansite representative then it seems to make sense that that individual be a member of General Management. I don't really understand Habbo nowadays but don't you get a badge or something? This kind of thing is normally enough to make the noobs love you which gives you the ability to promote Habbox and the Forum. However if we are to do this we need a strong and importantly, complete team of General Management. This has been my opinion now for quite a while and I am not afraid to say it. Our current AGMs are doing an excellent job, however this isn't time to be messing around and questioning who may or may not be coming back or who might stay or who might go. Whatever. I think firm decisions should be made so we can have a team of AGMs and a GM who take an authoritative lead in changing Habbox and HxF for the better.

In matters like this, however, I am like any other member - I have a voice, but I am unable to make any such changes myself.