Am I to blame for this? (Racism)

[Mint]

Mint, I think you just showed everyone by posting what you did (stuff directed at me), how low you are, how big of a racist you are. I think you answered your question yourself, YES YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR IT.
You are ignorant, and a racist.

Why are you so shocked? I didn't exactly deny anything in my original post did I? :S It's like I said "yes in today's society I would be classed as racist and do you think this is my fault?" Then you have said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". Guess the free education didn't help?

Again, many white youths also wear hoodies. I for one find them alot more intimidating than the traditional religious clothing that muslims/hindus/sikhs may wear. Hoodies are not worn for this purpose and I would and do cross the road when confronted with a group or even 2 people wearing a hoodie, therefore your point has failed..

Far from failed. Today on the news, 2 middle aged English people said to a Muslim wearing the headgear that she looked like a terrorist. It went to court but guess what? The English people got away with it. All them head scarf mask things can be mistaken for many other things. Using hoodies as an example is a bit of a fail, you should drive through Glodwick and check out all of the Pakistanis/Indians wearing hoodies. Just the same as you might find loads of English people wearing hoodies in rough areas, that is were your point fails as English AND Indian/Pakistanis wear hoodies yet ONLY Indians/Pakistanis wear those head scarf mask things. I recently got infracted for posting an incident I had on my way to the shop, I explained how it was going dark and as I turned the corner there one of them was, an Indian/Pakistani or whatever (man or woman, not as if you can tell when you bump into one in the dark) and I said that it scared the crap out of me. I got an infraction just for saying how scary it was, that is a good example of what is happening in England now. We get called racist for saying minor things that have nothing to do with the word racism, maybe that is another reason why I get so angry over these Asians?To be honest I'm not entirely sure what happened here but from what I have bothered to read thank God they got released without charges.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/8404212.stm

[Seatherny]

Why are you so shocked? I didn't exactly deny anything in my original post did I? :S It's like I said "yes in today's society I would be classed as racist and do you think this is my fault?" Then you have said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". Guess the free education didn't help?

I think you will find that people explained very clearly why you are the racist. Did you miss the "free" English lessons at school :S
Free Education? Half my life, I have paid for my education. And now that I am university, I am paying again. So please don't say stuff you have zero knowledge about. Like I have said several times in this thread, you are just ignorant.

Referring back to what you said about my family probably owning takeaways and corner shops, just LOL. Again ignorant
Go to southern cemetery, any mason in Manchester, Sunderland beach, the monuments you see is the answer to what my family does.
No I am not boasting, I am simply answering your questions.

And ***, who do you expect to own Indian Takeaways? White people? Maybe a few but obviously will be majority Indians :S Your comments are just laughable.

Oh and on the 111 Bus, 2 little white kids got on, they were running around the bus like crazy, jumping on seats, swearing, speaking in "gangsta" language. Man it wasn't English .

Like I said, IGNORANT.

[Tash.]

Far from failed. Today on the news, 2 middle aged English people said to a Muslim wearing the headgear that she looked like a terrorist. It went to court but guess what? The English people got away with it. All them head scarf mask things can be mistaken for many other things. Using hoodies as an example is a bit of a fail, you should drive through Glodwick and check out all of the Pakistanis/Indians wearing hoodies. Just the same as you might find loads of English people wearing hoodies in rough areas, that is were your point fails as English AND Indian/Pakistanis wear hoodies yet ONLY Indians/Pakistanis wear those head scarf mask things. I recently got infracted for posting an incident I had on my way to the shop, I explained how it was going dark and as I turned the corner there one of them was, an Indian/Pakistani or whatever (man or woman, not as if you can tell when you bump into one in the dark) and I said that it scared the crap out of me. I got an infraction just for saying how scary it was, that is a good example of what is happening in England now. We get called racist for saying minor things that have nothing to do with the word racism, maybe that is another reason why I get so angry over these Asians?To be honest I'm not entirely sure what happened here but from what I have bothered to read thank God they got released without charges.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/8404212.stm

I actually read that story myself last week, infact it was a different report but on the same story and from the sounds of it what they said was deeply hurtful whether or not it was racist. And I think you might find you get yourself into trouble because of how you speak about such people, you refer to them using words which you would speak of an animal and it's not right. You wouldn't use such words to describe a white human being so it's not ok that you would say them about an asian person. Yes asian people as well as white people wear hoodies, but what I was trying to point out is that it's not that you can't see the person behind the hijab that scares you, it's because you have some notion that they must be a bomber or something. To me hoodies are alot more threatening and would pose alot more of a threat than someone who is wearing a religious item. I want to ask you, are you afraid of hoodies? And if so are you afraid of them all or just the asian people wearing them? I implore you to think very carefully about what your answer is because you might just shoot yourself in the foot.

[Seatherny]

Exactly, he says we just said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". but we gave him a reason but he is too ignorant to look at them.
We explained many times that it was because he refers to asians as "infested, breed" like animals "/ He is nothing but a racist.

And, I agree, most people usually find people with hoodies more threatning than people with religious scarfs.

[Mint]

I actually read that story myself last week, infact it was a different report but on the same story and from the sounds of it what they said was deeply hurtful whether or not it was racist. And I think you might find you get yourself into trouble because of how you speak about such people, you refer to them using words which you would speak of an animal and it's not right. You wouldn't use such words to describe a white human being so it's not ok that you would say them about an asian person. Yes asian people as well as white people wear hoodies, but what I was trying to point out is that it's not that you can't see the person behind the hijab that scares you, it's because you have some notion that they must be a bomber or something. To me hoodies are alot more threatening and would pose alot more of a threat than someone who is wearing a religious item. I want to ask you, are you afraid of hoodies? And if so are you afraid of them all or just the asian people wearing them? I implore you to think very carefully about what your answer is because you might just shoot yourself in the foot.

About hoodies, they are only intimidating when you are in a rough area. Most people (including Asians) that are wearing hoodies in an average town are actually ok. In my local town you do see quite a few people wearing hoodies at night but like I said, they don't mean any harm and as long as you mind your own business they don't even attempt to communicate/intimidate you. However, when I see Asians wearing them masks I don't think "Oh my God it's a terrorist!", after the shock of seeing someone wearing a black mask like thing on their face with only their eyes exposed I would then start to think "Is it someone wearing a balaclava or is it an Asian?". I never take risks though, I would usually cross the road if it's dark and I'm not 100% sure about them. Even in the daylight it can be quite a shocking thing to suddenly see someone wearing a mask like thing with only their eyes exposed. I am still unsure as to why they even need to wear them? Like in the desert were sand can be quite a nuisance it is understandable, same with a hot country, they would be useful to keep you cool and shade you from the sun. I admit that I know only a tiny thing about different religions but is it because they have a dress code in their religion to hide their hair? Then some take it to the next level and wear them masks? It really isn't needed, you talk about us all being the same and having equal rights so what makes your hair so superior to ours that they feel the need to cover it up and prevent us from seeing it? (assuming that is what it's for) Same with the face covering too.

Exactly, he says we just said "Yes it is your fault because you are racist!". but we gave him a reason but he is too ignorant to look at them.
We explained many times that it was because he refers to asians as "infested, breed" like animals "/ He is nothing but a racist.

And, I agree, most people usually find people with hoodies more threatning than people with religious scarfs.

Well thank you for stating the obvious. Saying "most people usually find people with hoodies more threatening than people with religious scarfs" is hardly fair. Obviously if you looked at someone and knew that it was a religious scarf you won't feel threatened, however when you are not expecting it or you can see one in the near distance it can be terrifying as you do not know if it is an Asian, they look extremely similar to balaclavas or some sort of thing they have used to hide their identity. I apologize for using words such as "infested" and "breed" in your presence but it's the norm in my life. At school, at home, around my area, we don't get on very well with Asians and you can't deny that they like to crowd small areas or in some cases crowd rather large areas. Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

It is understandable for you to be so defensive about Asians, but to be honest if I moved to a different country and I noticed that a large amount of people were not happy with me I would respect the fact that it is their country and certainly not leave but try to sort things out. If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

[Jamesy]

If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

That's just stupid. You're say for them to abandon their own culture. The UK is one of the most accepting and tolerant societies in the world - and your hypothetic "if I was..." seems nothing more than "if you're brown, you're not english", which in my view is pure nonsense.

[Seatherny]

About hoodies, they are only intimidating when you are in a rough area. Most people (including Asians) that are wearing hoodies in an average town are actually ok. In my local town you do see quite a few people wearing hoodies at night but like I said, they don't mean any harm and as long as you mind your own business they don't even attempt to communicate/intimidate you. However, when I see Asians wearing them masks I don't think "Oh my God it's a terrorist!", after the shock of seeing someone wearing a black mask like thing on their face with only their eyes exposed I would then start to think "Is it someone wearing a balaclava or is it an Asian?". I never take risks though, I would usually cross the road if it's dark and I'm not 100% sure about them. Even in the daylight it can be quite a shocking thing to suddenly see someone wearing a mask like thing with only their eyes exposed. I am still unsure as to why they even need to wear them? Like in the desert were sand can be quite a nuisance it is understandable, same with a hot country, they would be useful to keep you cool and shade you from the sun. I admit that I know only a tiny thing about different religions but is it because they have a dress code in their religion to hide their hair? Then some take it to the next level and wear them masks? It really isn't needed, you talk about us all being the same and having equal rights so what makes your hair so superior to ours that they feel the need to cover it up and prevent us from seeing it? (assuming that is what it's for) Same with the face covering too.


Well thank you for stating the obvious. Saying "most people usually find people with hoodies more threatening than people with religious scarfs" is hardly fair. Obviously if you looked at someone and knew that it was a religious scarf you won't feel threatened, however when you are not expecting it or you can see one in the near distance it can be terrifying as you do not know if it is an Asian, they look extremely similar to balaclavas or some sort of thing they have used to hide their identity. I apologize for using words such as "infested" and "breed" in your presence but it's the norm in my life. At school, at home, around my area, we don't get on very well with Asians and you can't deny that they like to crowd small areas or in some cases crowd rather large areas. Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

It is understandable for you to be so defensive about Asians, but to be honest if I moved to a different country and I noticed that a large amount of people were not happy with me I would respect the fact that it is their country and certainly not leave but try to sort things out. If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

Most people who wear hoodies = chavs. Simple as.
Its only woman who wear the thing over their faces and its usually easy to tell they are Muslims. There is a big distinction between a Muslim woman wearing the scarf and a man with a balaclava. You may want to go to the opticians if you disagree.
If you are unsure why they need to wear it, then Google it. Its their culture, they can do it if they want to. They don't like any woman wearing short skirts and stuff when they go on holiday to Asians countries but they don't moan do they?

Again, referring back to your reply to my post, if you cant tell the difference between a Muslim woman and a man with a balaclava, go to the opticians.
Most Asians don't have a distinctive beard. Only a few do but you are just ignorant and see a few and go OMGZZZ THEY ALL WEAR IT!! RUNN!!1
They can wear what they want. They don't moan about what you wear when you go to their countries on holiday? They can drive what they want. Not everyone can afford good cars you know >.<
And why should they move away from people of their own nationality and culture? Its people like you who cause them to do this. Also houses in Longsight are generally cheaper, have Asians markets and people like being able to talk in their own language if they aren't very good at English (although most Asians I see now have excellent English!) and they like having a community where they can talk to people about their culture and stuff relating back home.
Also alot of white people have beards OMGGGGZZZ ALL WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BEARDS COS I SAW A WHITE DUDE WITH ONE AT UNI!1ZZ!!1Z

And most Asians don't call themselves "English". They say "British-Indian/Pakistani etc"

You obviously have ZERO clue about this stuff, you love seeing 1 person of a different colour doing something and automatically think they are all the same because you are a RACIST. I saw 2 white chavs on the back of the bus today, both with hoodies, swearing at people out of the window for no reason, playing loud music, singing like idiots, speaking in gangsta language OMGZZ NOT ENGLISHZ!!!
Then there were 2 Asians at the front, who did nothing but be quiet and mind their own business.

If you think I am lying, ask Tash., I was on the phone to her then.

[Tash.]

About hoodies, they are only intimidating when you are in a rough area. Most people (including Asians) that are wearing hoodies in an average town are actually ok. In my local town you do see quite a few people wearing hoodies at night but like I said, they don't mean any harm and as long as you mind your own business they don't even attempt to communicate/intimidate you. However, when I see Asians wearing them masks I don't think "Oh my God it's a terrorist!", after the shock of seeing someone wearing a black mask like thing on their face with only their eyes exposed I would then start to think "Is it someone wearing a balaclava or is it an Asian?". I never take risks though, I would usually cross the road if it's dark and I'm not 100% sure about them. Even in the daylight it can be quite a shocking thing to suddenly see someone wearing a mask like thing with only their eyes exposed. I am still unsure as to why they even need to wear them? Like in the desert were sand can be quite a nuisance it is understandable, same with a hot country, they would be useful to keep you cool and shade you from the sun. I admit that I know only a tiny thing about different religions but is it because they have a dress code in their religion to hide their hair? Then some take it to the next level and wear them masks? It really isn't needed, you talk about us all being the same and having equal rights so what makes your hair so superior to ours that they feel the need to cover it up and prevent us from seeing it? (assuming that is what it's for) Same with the face covering too.


Well thank you for stating the obvious. Saying "most people usually find people with hoodies more threatening than people with religious scarfs" is hardly fair. Obviously if you looked at someone and knew that it was a religious scarf you won't feel threatened, however when you are not expecting it or you can see one in the near distance it can be terrifying as you do not know if it is an Asian, they look extremely similar to balaclavas or some sort of thing they have used to hide their identity. I apologize for using words such as "infested" and "breed" in your presence but it's the norm in my life. At school, at home, around my area, we don't get on very well with Asians and you can't deny that they like to crowd small areas or in some cases crowd rather large areas. Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

It is understandable for you to be so defensive about Asians, but to be honest if I moved to a different country and I noticed that a large amount of people were not happy with me I would respect the fact that it is their country and certainly not leave but try to sort things out. If I was an Asian living here I would get rid of my distinctive beard, get rid of my skirt and tracksuit bottoms combination, remove my turban/head scarf mask thing, get rid of my toyota/nissan and move away from an area full of people that are of the same nationality as me. You want to call yourselves English yet you look nothing like us (not talking about skin colour here). Besides, just because you were born here doesn't really make you English. You may be an English citizen but if I was slightly older and went on holiday with my pregnant wife and she had the baby in that country (lets use greece as an example) would my baby be Greek? No, it has genuine English parents so English blood and there would be nothing Greek about the baby (other than the fact that its mother happened to give birth to it while she was over there).

Well all I have to say is you're a very lucky person. So many people have been stabbed or assaulted by groups of hoodies for simply asking them not to do something that they should not be doing. Some people have even been stabbed/assaulted for doing nothing but look at them wrong. Perhaps you aren't intimidated by them because these people are the ones you hang around with? I certainly would not be suprised. Like Saurav said, I fail to see how you could mistake a woman in a hijab (or mask as you like to call it) and a person in a balaclava. Balaclavas for one thing are heavy garments made out of totally different material to a hijab and often a person wearing a balaclava will be wearing other items of clothing which would warn you as to the danger they pose to you. Like you've said, you don't know the reasons that certain people choose to wear these religious garments, so instead of judging them for it why don't you try and find out? Better yet, i'll tell you. Hijabs and other pieces of clothing worn by muslim women are there to protect modesty. In Islam, it's not seen as correct for a woman to be seen in public in less than adequate or revealing clothes (and their idea of revealing may be very different to yours or mine). It has absolutely nothing to do with them feeling superior to you or me, they see it as a religious requirement.

On the whole argument about them supposedly having many children, I aren't sure why you're picking on these people? There are thousands of white people in the UK that have more than 2/3 children, so why are you not referring to them using words such as 'infested' and 'breeding'. Personally I think using those words to describe any human being is wrong, but if you want to use them at least don't discriminate with your use. Perhaps these people do use what you call "larger low cost" vehicles, but what does this have to do with anything? Again, like Saurav said, these people may not have the money to afford a newer car, maybe they see no use in buying a newer car when they can get an older one which gets them from A to B. It's really none of your business which cars they use or how many kids they have, some of the people you are judging may well work very hard to look after their family, you do not know their personal circumstances.

And finally, because i'm getting pretty bored of writing now, have you ever considered that these people might want to live together to avoid being abused by racists such as yourself? You're moaning because they live together, but I can't see you being very happy if they moved into your street, then you'd be moaning that they are 'taking over'. Let's face it, you're moaning because you're a racist xenophobe. And yes, if you are born here it does make you English. You won't have lived anywhere else, so you won't have a passport for anywhere but here? Of course if we use your example of a person giving birth whilst on holiday abroad, then no they aren't going to be greek because you aren't living there and you don't intend to. Nobody has 'genuine english blood' we are all descended from immigrants, I myself am a quarter irish. If you are born here and are brought up in this country you will pick up the language, the culture, the accent and all the things which make us English. I think it might be time you stopped this tirade against asian people because it's fuelled completely by ignorance and down right dislike for anyone remotely foreign.

[Seatherny]

Then you may call me ignorant for saying that they have loads of children (which is why I used the word breed) but they seriously do have babies like there's no tomorrow. They always seem to have larger low cost vehicles to fit all the family in too.

I didnt see that bit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-I-twins.html

OMG I BET SHE WAS ASIAN AND PAINTED HER SKIN TO BE WHITE!!! A white person can never "breed" so many children!!!1

And just a little fact, Muslims aren't allowed to use condoms (that is what many Muslims have told me).

Do your homework little boy.

Like Tash. said, with Mint, there is no winning for Asians. Live in a community with Asians = lose. Live near Mint = lose. Damn! Us Asians can't win Oh well.

[Goraz]

Firstly I want to make sure this thread stays clean from any racism. I think I get the perm ban for anything I do wrong now and I have been given a final warning about a racist attitude. I don't want this thread to end up being closed for this post containing racism so I will keep it as clean as possible and I apologise if anything still manages to offend you.

Right, I get called racist on here a lot, I have many, many, many infractions and warnings for posting racist things too. I just want to know if you think it is my fault.

I live in Manchester, there are many parts of Manchester that Indians/Pakistanis have what you could call taken over. They like to all live next to each over and this can stretch to taking over massive areas. In a nice, non offensive way you could say that driving through these areas feels a bit like driving through a different country, India or Pakistan for example. For many patriotic English people this can be quite heart breaking, seeing your country being slowly taken over, bit by bit. Some people may not have a problem with this but my journey to school involves getting on the bus up and down the main road. For several years I have been getting the same bus down the same road and there has always been a muslim school in between my house and school so obviously a lot of them get on/off the bus there. So morning and afternoon on my way to and from school has always involved getting on a bus that is often full of Indians/Pakistanis and this could be the case of were a few spoil it for them all. These troublesome, manor-less, cheeky school children have convinced me that all the people of their race are like them to put it bluntly. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I just don't know. I get the bus alone and have been involved in 2 fights on the bus after them starting on me for no reason whatsoever while I have been sat there minding my own business. Then my parents, they are also a reason that I may appear to be so racist. They have had many bad moments with Indians/Pakistanis in their time and have told me that it's up to me to decide whether or not I like them but have also told me many stories and statistics about them. Then I have had other problems with them. There are 3 Pakistanis in my year, one of them sits next to me in ICT and has shown me pictures of his friends on facebook holding massive, real guns. The way he talks (as do a lot of them) "yeh gee innit man" kind of thing gets on my nerves too (again I don't intend to offend anyone). He once said that all the greatest boxers and singers are muslim which was out of the blue because at the time I think we were talking about football... It was also as if he was trying to say that muslims are better than us etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that just like saying "all the best ____ are catholics"? You just wouldn't say something like that, especially in a place full of people who are not the same religion. I have had many encounters with Indians and Pakistanis and they have always been bad, it has turned me into someone that dislikes Indians and Pakistanis which is not fair. I know some very nice ones and even they agree that a few spoil it for the rest. This has all lead me to automatically dislike any of them which is indeed stupid and unfair towards them.

I apologize again if any of this may sound offensive but I have done my best to write this in a way that isn't offensive.

So is this really my fault? There are many other people like me and It annoys me when people say that they hate me because I am racist when I personally don't think it's my fault. Also, is racist really the right word? Racist means to call someone because of the colour of their skin and I am talking about their Nationality. I have never called an Indian/Pakistani because of their skin and wouldn't see the point in doing so, it's just skin.

You truly have baffled me on this, shocking behavior.