Abuse of staff powers / Outright fail in communications and knowledge of rules.

[Mentor]

Suggests to me that anything past that link are Rules or terms & conditions....

100% agree.

But if you actually take a look, you'll notice only two mentions of avatars within it.

One says:

You are, however, allowed to post pictures of yourself, although they are NOT allowed in your avatar or signature.

the second:

B2. Signatures/Avatars
Member signature images may not exceed 700 pixels (width) x 150 pixels (height) in size
Donator signature images may not exceed 700 pixels x 300 pixels in total size
Signature font size may not be bigger than 4


So where exactly on this page does it say i cant have a 150*150 avatar? i must have missed it.

[Seatherny]

Its like if a police office comes up to you and says its illegal not to give him a £5. Then arrests him when you dont and point out there is no such law.

If they did that people wouldnt be "oh noes, you should read the lawz moar. The police officer was obviously right"

In all honesty, that example is nothing like the scenario here.

The rules state the avatar size you can have if you are in a certain group. It means if you move up or down to that group, you must only have the maximum size avatar which is listed for that group.
It is your job to update your avatar size when your user group changes.

In all honesty, its basic common sense.

[Mentor]

The first link I posted contains all the information you would want to know about each rank on the forum. Once you move one to another, you can have bigger avatars and so on. The rank you are currently in is a maximum of 140x140. Your avatar was 150x150. Which you have been told about. This is hardly power abusing at all which you are relating to the SMod's work.

You may have a point that it is not under: (which will be changed)



But your avatar was still oversized.

I never claimed my avatars size was not over the limit the forum software allows my user group to set.

My point is, that there is no rule against this.

Thus removing my avatar plus warning more for this is an abuse of power. I cannot be punished for breaking a rule that does not exist.
FAQ's on the subject of what is available for user groups to set does not constitute a rule. They have no bearing anyway and if they did, i've already pointed out the lack of anything saying that my avatar image cannot be set in one group then continued when i move in to another.

In all honesty, that example is nothing like the scenario here.

The rules state the avatar size you can have if you are in a certain group. It means if you move up or down to that group, you must only have the maximum size avatar which is listed for that group.
It is your job to update your avatar size when your user group changes.

In all honesty, its basic common sense.

The rules do not state this. If definition of a rule in this case, is something in the rules telling me i cannot do something.
No rule exists in the rule to that effect.

Thus i am being punished for breaking an non-rule. Which i believe is an abuse of power. I think other staff involved probably realise this, but now its been brought up do not want to admit it.

[FlyingJesus]

- We can (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) edit, close/lock, move, duplicated or publish any of your posted content because as soon as it is posted, you are the author of the content, but it becomes property of Habbox UK Forum.

and

- You give us the right (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) to edit, caution, temporarily ban or permanently ban, as well as your IP, or take any other measurements that we feel necessary.


If you refuse to accept that a clear cut guideline in the FAQ can count as rules, just take the above with a glass of water twice a day before meals and the big red mood should fade.

[Hecktix]

They have no bearing anyway and if they did, i've already pointed out the lack of anything saying that my avatar image cannot be set in one group then continued when i move in to another.

Using that principle, if I buy VIP, which allows me an avatar of 150x150 and then after 1 month this VIP runs out and I get a PM saying my avatar is too big, I would be able to say "I had the ability to set my avatar as that before, so it should be allowed now i've moved into the normal users usergroup".

And that wouldn't be good at all.

[Smits]

I can see where mentor is coming from, and see why he;d be annoyed. But if the avatar should be removed it should be removed.

What concerns me is this;

- Why has it taken so long for his avatar to be noticed? Is it because he had VIP, because i really don't know. If he did fair enough.

- Is nobody else able to give him his well earned VIP other than jin?

[Mentor]

- We can (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) edit, close/lock, move, duplicated or publish any of your posted content because as soon as it is posted, you are the author of the content, but it becomes property of Habbox UK Forum.

Yep

You give us the right (WITHOUT ANY PRIOR NOTICE) to edit, caution, temporarily ban or permanently ban, as well as your IP, or take any other measurements that we feel necessary.

Yep

The forums a dictatorship, i get that. I'm not disputing it. What i am disputing is that i broke any existing rule. Inforceing a rule that does not exist, is to me, an abuse of power.

If those in charge want to warn me / remove my avatar for fun. yep they are allowed by the terms.

The fact, no rule was broke remains though

If you refuse to accept that a clear cut guideline in the FAQ can count as rules, just take the above with a glass of water twice a day before meals and the big red mood should fade.

FAQ article !== rules
Nore were they clear cut. I have read them a good 30 times, they still sound to be simple information telling you what sizes you can physically set while in a group

No mention is ever made to the effect that because I move from one group to another that my avatar now becomes against the rules.

Using that principle, if I buy VIP, which allows me an avatar of 150x150 and then after 1 month this VIP runs out and I get a PM saying my avatar is too big, I would be able to say "I had the ability to set my avatar as that before, so it should be allowed now i've moved into the normal users usergroup".

And that wouldn't be good at all.

Probably not. But that doesn't actually cause that rule to exist. At current people are fully within the scope of the rules to say just that. If this is wrong, then the rules need updating. Not the people who under the current rules, have not broke any one of them.
The rule being enforced does not exist at this point in time. If this is a rule that habbox wish's to enforce, then it should be added to the rule. Punishing me for a rule though, just because in the future it may exist, still seems a little messed up.

The fact of the matter is no rule states i cannot have the avatar i had.

I'm pretty sure most of you actually acknowledge this and are just active defensivly now.

[xxMATTGxx]

I can see where mentor is coming from, and see why he;d be annoyed. But if the avatar should be removed it should be removed.

What concerns me is this;

- Why has it taken so long for his avatar to be noticed? Is it because he had VIP, because i really don't know. If he did fair enough.

- Is nobody else able to give him his well earned VIP other than jin?

Mentor not that long ago was in the "Platinum" group. Which lets users have 150x150 avatar. Although his posts and so on never matched up so he got put down a level to "Emerald". If I remember correctly.

[Seatherny]

The rules do not state this. If definition of a rule in this case, is something in the rules telling me i cannot do something.
No rule exists in the rule to that effect.

Thus i am being punished for breaking an non-rule. Which i believe is an abuse of power. I think other staff involved probably realise this, but now its been brought up do not want to admit it.

The rules state that you can only have such and such avatar size in such a user group. It is your job to make sure you follow the rules and update your avatar size accordingly.
I can see where you are coming from saying you earned it before, but in this case you are wrong, not the Forum staff. The rules and settings have changed and so you need to follow them.

Nore were they clear cut. I have read them a good 30 times, they still sound to be simple information telling you what sizes you can physically set while in a group

Again, its very basic common sense, if the rules change, you need to follow them and update your settings accordingly. Otherwise there would be 600 lines for each rule if they were to use your way of thinking :rolleyes:

[Mentor]

The rules state that you can only have such and such avatar size in such a user group. It is your job to make sure you follow the rules and update your avatar size accordingly.
I can see where you are coming from saying you earned it before, but in this case you are wrong, not the Forum staff. The rules and settings have changed and so you need to follow them.



Again, its very basic common sense, if the rules change, you need to follow them and update your settings accordingly.

Please show me this rule. Because i've looked and so far your the only person here who has found it.

At best others have found faq articles which do not say anything to the effect of me not being able to retain my avatar anyway.

if you found a rule. please post it, then i will admit i'm wrong an apologise.