Abuse of staff powers / Outright fail in communications and knowledge of rules.

[Chippiewill]

In all honesty, that example is nothing like the scenario here.

The rules state the avatar size you can have if you are in a certain group. It means if you move up or down to that group, you must only have the maximum size avatar which is listed for that group.
It is your job to update your avatar size when your user group changes.

No, it says that you can change your Avatar to that size when you're in that user group, it says nothing about removing it when it's larger than you can make it any more.

[Smits]

I have read them a good 30 times, they still sound to be simple information telling you what sizes you can physically set while in a group

No mention is ever made to the effect that because I move from one group to another that my avatar now becomes against the rules

That's fair enough but surely if you were allowed to have any sized avatar, in any user group, then you would be able to create the maximum in any user group, rather than specific sizes for specific groups.

Don't get me wrong i can see where your ocming from, it doesn't state that you're not allowed to have a certain sized avatar, but i think most people make the assumption from those guidelines.

I don't really see why this is such a big deal, i really wanna see this avatar now, must be a corker.

[Hecktix]

I can see where mentor is coming from, and see why he;d be annoyed. But if the avatar should be removed it should be removed.

What concerns me is this;

- Why has it taken so long for his avatar to be noticed? Is it because he had VIP, because i really don't know. If he did fair enough.

- Is nobody else able to give him his well earned VIP other than jin?

For the majority of the part here, it is because mentor has been Black VIP for the majority of this year, which meant his avatar was above board

Mentor not that long ago was in the "Platinum" group. Which lets users have 150x150 avatar. Although his posts and so on never matched up so he got put down a level to "Emerald". If I remember correctly.

This has been the case over the past few weeks, a moderator reported the avatar and the fact his usertitle read "Platinum member" although the user did not appear to meet the requirements for this usergroup therefore after a thorough investigation he was put down to the group he should be in, several days later he was contacted in reference to the avatar.

I personally believe Mentor has had VIP since before the usergroup limits changed, and this is why when his VIP ran out his usergroup was "Platinum Member", however as Saurav and FlyingJesus have said, rules change overtime and we have to comply to the latest regulations

[hah]

i think it was just some cartoon

[Chippiewill]

I don't really see why this is such a big deal, i really wanna see this avatar now, must be a corker.

It's one fine avatar, I'll tell you that.

we have to comply to the latest regulations

Which mean he has to have his avatar removed because?

[Seatherny]

Please show me this rule. Because i've looked and so far your the only person here who has found it.

At best others have found faq articles which do not say anything to the effect of me not being able to retain my avatar anyway.

if you found a rule. please post it, then i will admit i'm wrong an apologise.

Rules, FAQ, whats the difference, seriously :S You are simply nitpicking.

What is the set avatar size for a Habbox member?
The set avatar size for a habbox member is 90 (Width) x 100 (Height) The new ranking system consists of a new avatar and signature system too. Here are the avatar sizes for the following ranks:
Bronze rank - 90 x 100
Silver rank - 105 x 105
Gold rank - 110 x 110
Ruby rank - 120 x 120
Sapphire rank - 130x130
Emerald rank - 140x140
Platinum rank - 150 x 150

I think that's clear enough. As a Emerald, you cant have a avatar size higher than 140x140, simple as.

[Hecktix]

No, it says that you can change your Avatar to that size when you're in that user group, it says nothing about removing it when it's larger than you can make it any more.

If one usergroup has a maximum limit of 150x150 and then another usergroup has a maximum limit of 140x140 I think that's pretty self evident if you move usergroups you must comply to these limits?

[Chippiewill]

If one usergroup has a maximum limit of 150x150 and then another usergroup has a maximum limit of 140x140 I think that's pretty self evident if you move usergroups you must comply to these limits?

It's not a maximum limit, it's a maximum which you can set to.

[Smits]

For the majority of the part here, it is because mentor has been Black VIP for the majority of this year, which meant his avatar was above board

Ahh right, then there was no issue before with the avatar.

It's clear that Mentor is basing his case on the fact that the only written rule regarding avatar size is

Note: The maximum size of your custom image is 150 by 150 pixels or 58.6 KB (whichever is smaller).

I think a basic solution would be to add the note about user groups affecting avatar sizes under this, and therefore there is no more issue.

I know Mentor also suggested that if the rules are updated then they should not be enforced retrospectively, but with something like this i think they should. Afterall, having one or two people who are not affected by the rule, could easily cause confusion for newer members.

It's not a maximum limit, it's a maximum which you can set to.

True, but why would it be a maximum at which you can set to, if it didn't really apply anyway, because you can technically have a 150 x 150 sized avatar anyway. I think it's obvious that when those guidelines were written, they were meant to act as a rule, and not just imformation.

[Mentor]

That's fair enough but surely if you were allowed to have any sized avatar, in any user group, then you would be able to create the maximum in any user group, rather than specific sizes for specific groups.

I'm not sure i follow. if a group has a max of 130, then the forum will resize any avatar uploaded which is bigger, till it fits.
My avatar was set when i was in a higher usergroup (which i qualified for under the requirements of it when i fist archived it) I then set that as my avatar and it was not resized.

I then did not update it when my usergroup was adjusted.
Since no rule states i should, i saw no reason to.

Don't get me wrong i can see where your ocming from, it doesn't state that you're not allowed to have a certain sized avatar, but i think most people make the assumption from those guidelines.

I don't really see why this is such a big deal, i really wanna see this avatar now, must be a corker.

I've had it forever, and its not so much about my avatar as it is the fact that a rule has been inforced which does not exists - and i disagree completely that a max avatar size settable in a given group classifies as something i should have assumed meant i cannot have an avatar over that size and that this is a rule.

I've had multiple issues before where rules that do not exist have been applied to me. If i let it go, they'll just keep doing it to other people. So i'm chooseing to make the point.

If they wish they can update the rules, but at current the rule simply does not exist.