Security alert on Heathrow Airport plane

[Jordy]

They can still smuggle drugs into the country if they're not searched. Quite a few old people have already tried this, if they weren't going to be searched, who do you think the drug dealers would use to smuggle in all kinds of illegal substances and even weapons?

And there is the chance of them being duped into carrying explosives, liquids etc, which could then change over hands after going through security.

Not forgetting that having people judge who's safe and who isn't makes it more likely a terrorist could be waved through by a corrupt official.

The only real advantage of allowing grannies through without being searched is it'll save time. Saving time isn't worth it when you could be saving lives.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They can still smuggle drugs into the country if they're not searched. Quite a few old people have already tried this, if they weren't going to be searched, who do you think the drug dealers would use to smuggle in all kinds of illegal substances and even weapons?

And there is the chance of them being duped into carrying explosives, liquids etc, which could then change over hands after going through security.

Not forgetting that having people judge who's safe and who isn't makes it more likely a terrorist could be waved through by a corrupt official.

The only real advantage of allowing grannies through without being searched is it'll save time. Saving time isn't worth it when you could be saving lives.

..so what really are we suggesting here? - ever more security so its impossible to pass through and airport without having to be searched both naked and also be probed because that is the only only only way we will ever eliminate any threat of drugs or terrorism from our airports. On corruption, well then that just ends it then. Instead of assuming everyone is working with the terrorists and that that means we need more and more freedoms taken away, we need to come back to the real world and realise this is not the case.

[Kronics]

Everyone gets checked when they go through security, when I went to Africa last year I got checked.

One way or another, no-one is special. Everyone gets checked whatever age they may be. Don't forget people can change their looks for anything.

[Jordy]

..so what really are we suggesting here? - ever more security so its impossible to pass through and airport without having to be searched both naked and also be probed because that is the only only only way we will ever eliminate any threat of drugs or terrorism from our airports. On corruption, well then that just ends it then. Instead of assuming everyone is working with the terrorists and that that means we need more and more freedoms taken away, we need to come back to the real world and realise this is not the case.

I'm not suggesting anything new, I'm suggesting the system remains as it is and new technologies in scanning for liquids, substances, metal etc which provide increased security are implemented.

It is not impossible to pass through naked scanners, they've been successfully tested at Manchester and Heathrow and will soon be implemented nation-wide. If every single person has to pass through the scanners, it eliminates the chances of a corrupt official having the power to do anything.

[Seatherny]

I really hope we don't have people like you.. oh wait we already do, both in government and the European Union imposing your thoughts and laws on us and even worse, destroying our liberty at a cost which really makes me wonder what we are actually defending. On terrorism itself - you are making it up now as you go along. If a old aged 80 year old pensioner is walking through an airport, is she a potential terrorist threat and does she need to be searched? - no she doesn't.

That is the point I am making, its just common sense.

Did you even read what I said? Typical of you, always ignore the point I made. Re-read what I said. I said she could be used, not that she is a terrorist - actually anyone can be a terrorist, simple as. :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

Did you even read what I said? Typical of you, always ignore the point I made. Re-read what I said. I said she could be used, not that she is a terrorist - actually anyone can be a terrorist, simple as. :rolleyes:

The same applies still, an old woman is not going to ignore a man standing there putting a bomb in her bloomers is she? - seriously now, some common sense. A terrorist could do a number of things but in reality most of the suggestions/scenarios people here are coming up with are from fairytale land.

[Seatherny]

The same applies still, an old woman is not going to ignore a man standing there putting a bomb in her bloomers is she? - seriously now, some common sense. A terrorist could do a number of things but in reality most of the suggestions/scenarios people here are coming up with are from fairytale land.

Oh my. Its easier to put things into their hand luggage or suitcases :S Hence doing it so you dont check them at all is a security flaw. "Its common sense". :rolleyes:

If we had your way, terrorists would be blowing up a plane everyday.
Terrorists could probably easily find old Muslims or whatever who hate USA/UK, persuade them to take a bomb.

I swear you just love arguing even the silliest of things.

[Jordy]

The same applies still, an old woman is not going to ignore a man standing there putting a bomb in her bloomers is she? - seriously now, some common sense. A terrorist could do a number of things but in reality most of the suggestions/scenarios people here are coming up with are from fairytale land.

For a few grand I'm sure most elderly people would happily bring a few KG of Heroin into the country, especially if there's no risk of them being searched. Another instance could be a terrorist using his son to bring the bomb into the airport and then after security, it could be transferred to the terrorist. It's unheard of children bombing planes so under your plans they wouldn't be searched.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Oh my. Its easier to put things into their hand luggage or suitcases :S Hence doing it so you dont check them at all is a security flaw. "Its common sense". :rolleyes:

If we had your way, terrorists would be blowing up a plane everyday.
Terrorists could probably easily find old Muslims or whatever who hate USA/UK, persuade them to take a bomb.

I swear you just love arguing even the silliest of things.

Again, at what price does liberty get sacrificed for this 'war on terror' - if you had your way (which we have at present) you support allowing mass immigration into this country with the obvious dangers and extremism it brings, yet don't seem to mind our liberty being taken away to protect us from the very thing we are allowing through the backdoor.

It is like locking your house up with alarms and locks, only to leave the burgular inside with yourself.

You seem to make it out as if I support terrorists blowing up planes when I have never said that. I am simply stating that its not a big threat, and the threat posed needs to be dealt with in a proper way; not at the cost of our freedoms.

For a few grand I'm sure most elderly people would happily bring a few KG of Heroin into the country, especially if there's no risk of them being searched. Another instance could be a terrorist using his son to bring the bomb into the airport and then after security, it could be transferred to the terrorist. It's unheard of children bombing planes so under your plans they wouldn't be searched.

I do not know what old people you have met. Again this is all speculative, none of this has happened or shown any signs on happening. A terrorist could blow up an Arriva bus in Liverpool - what are we going to do!?

[Seatherny]

I am simply stating that its not a big threat, and the threat posed needs to be dealt with in a proper way; not at the cost of our freedoms.

It will be a big threat if the goverment said "right, we are never going to search old people".
Like I said, if we had your way, hundreds, if not thousands of people will die all because you don't want to search old people.