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[kk.]

But he didn't call anyone an idiot specifically. If he had he would have been infracted or cautioned. He generalised the people who believe Hollywood to be how he described it as idiots, and to be fair I agree.

no he didnt say, 'josh, youre an idiot,', but as you said, he generalised everone who disagreed with him. He wasnt talking about hollywood as such, only later on did he mention about the naivety of the people who think its all a glitz and glam lifestyle. He was talking about people who thought avatar deserved to win.

and not only that, but when he demands respect from people just because he works in the business, its not the greatest way to go about making friends,

Anyone who disagrees with Avatar being the worst nominee amongst the listed films in both winning categories is quite simply an idiot.

I'm proud of what I've accomplished and I'm damn good at what I do, I can gurantee you I'm one of the few my age in the world who is in my position, so when I speak about the industry, people listen and show respect, because those who don't won't get any from me.

[Black_Apalachi]

no he didnt say, 'josh, youre an idiot,', but as you said, he generalised everone who disagreed with him. He wasnt talking about hollywood as such, only later on did he mention about the naivety of the people who think its all a glitz and glam lifestyle. He was talking about people who thought avatar deserved to win.

and not only that, but when he demands respect from people just because he works in the business, its not the greatest way to go about making friends,

But he's right :S. His problem lies within the fact that no matter what he says, people disregard or criticise him, and more often than not they don't have a clue what they're talking about - at least not as much as he does. Like what's the deal with people needing proof of his profession? I don't see people demanding proof from Leah working in Argos or from Blinger being a baker :S (not targeting them or anything, they're just the only examples I know of lol).

[kk.]

But he's right :S. His problem lies within the fact that no matter what he says, people disregard or criticise him, and more often than not they don't have a clue what they're talking about - at least not as much as he does. Like what's the deal with people needing proof of his profession? I don't see people demanding proof from Leah working in Argos or from Blinger being a baker :S (not targeting them or anything, they're just the only examples I know of lol).

(just so you know, i havnt discredited him as not being a producer or anything or asked for proof)

what exactly is he right on? the only reason you think hes right is because you agree with him, as its your opinion. Maybe other people thought that another film in that category was the worst nominated film. I shall repeat myself again, film is subjective, hes kicking up a hissy fit over avatar being nominated because he sees things that others wont or just dont pay attention too. adam should have learnt by now that many people on this forum pay attention to whether it was entertaining or not, not about direction, or whether it had good acting in. Its why a lot of people have agreed that avatar should have won on best film for drama, as they liked the film they saw.

[Black_Apalachi]

I know you didn't say anything about his job .
It may be my opinion, but the reasons that have been used to explain why it doesn't deserve such awards are actual facts. Look at the image someone posted somewhere of a Pocahontas script which clearly shows how you can just change the nouns to make it exactly the same as Avatar. It's not like he or anyone else are just making rash statements. There is evidence to back them up.

[Misawa]

As I have said, the awards aren't voted for by the people, they are voted for by specific judges. Votes aren't based on generic cinema goers who don't look into deeper into a film to see why shots are the way they are, etc, they are based on the craft of a film.

[kk.]

I know you didn't say anything about his job .
It may be my opinion, but the reasons that have been used to explain why it doesn't deserve such awards are actual facts. Look at the image someone posted somewhere of a Pocahontas script which clearly shows how you can just change the nouns to make it exactly the same as Avatar. It's not like he or anyone else are just making rash statements. There is evidence to back them up.

but youre stll missing my point. People are saying it was a good film, and deserved such awards. And thats their opinion. Adams opinion was that it doesnt deserve such awards. its not based on facts, opinion. People dont take in the facts to their opinion if they are not critical of a film. You can like a film because it was entertaining, which is why they thought it deserved the film. Theyre not going to change their mind due to the fact that you or anyone else has said it had bad direction and actors..

As for the Pocahontas script, it was a generalisation of the plot. As well as that, surely that means that no remakes can be given an award?


@Adam,
Thats my point.. You were calling people idiots and telling them to respect you because youre in the business. The people who were saying it deserved it was the general viewing public, who also deserve an opinion. They gave it, and theyve said that they thought it deserved an award. It entertained them more so than the other films. And that was their point.

[Misawa]

I'm still repeating myself - awards are based on the intricacies of film-making, not how people other than the judges feel about it. And also like I have already said, the judges' decision was based neither on the intricacies of film-making nor how people outside the judges feel about the film.

[kk.]

I'm still repeating myself - awards are based on the intricacies of film-making, not how people other than the judges feel about it. And also like I have already said, the judges' decision was based neither on the intricacies of film-making nor how people outside the judges feel about the film.

Yes, and im still repeating myself - the people who you have called idiots, are just voicing their opinion about it. They have said that they think it deserves an award, and you just call everyone who disagrees an idiot.

[Black_Apalachi]

I understand what you're saying Josh, but these opinions ARE based on facts. The script is IDENTICAL. And a remake is a remake. This wasn't supposed to be a remake of anything. MY OPINION is that if it wasn't visually stunning, it would be absolutely diabolical.

I'm surprised you haven't argued how Dances With Wolves is a copy of Pocahontas, but at least that puts some depth into the main character and you actually end up feeling really sorry for him towards the end. In fact it ends differently now that I think of it .

[Misawa]

I called those idiots who think that Avatar has better cinematography than The Hurt Locker. I don't consider that opinion because a shot is a shot, and The Hurt Locker is, rather than just fast cuts and endless action shots, beautiful frame after beautiful frame. Perhaps you'd understand more if you understood cinematography.