Should there be a curfew for people under 18 years to reduce crime? [ENDS 28/02/10]

[-:Undertaker:-]

I see we're back to ignoring the key part of my post. There is no space. I even heard of plans for prison ships, thats how much of a problem with space there is. I aren't getting into any arguments about government spending in this thread as it's just not relevant and you don't want to hear what I have to say anyway, your mind is set on this government being near criminals.

At the link you provided, that is £1 million, you know and I know that building any type of prison here would cost a whole lot more than that and it's also been done to rid our prisons of criminals from abroad. Unforunately, the Daily Mail has twisted this into being something bad, I aren't shocked by this in the slightest.

Hang on a minute, you were the one who brought up the issue of money & government spending, not me. I said build more prisons and one of the reasons you came back with for not building more prisons was that the government had no money despite the fact i've given many examples in my previous post on how much money this government has wasted and is still wasting. No space? - hang on, if theres really no space left then why are we allowing unlimited immigration of which you support from what I remember but we cant build prisons - erm hello I think theres a big problem there because simple mathematics says; more people = more criminals = more prisons needed.

We have plenty of land, where would I propose to build them? - brownfield sites.

Of course it would cost a lot more than that - and thats why we have a strategy in money & finance called cutting, saving and prioritising. That is exactly why I gave numerous other examples of how money could easily be saved to fund building prisons. The Daily Mail hasn't twisted it into anything, why should we pay for a prison in Nigeria? - send them back and send them back to Nigerian prisons in which they belong. Meanwhile build prisons here with our tax money for our criminals and then maybe we'd get somewhere.

On the issue of space for these prisons again, if the government are considering building ships then why the hell have they not started? - they have been in government now since 1997 that is 13 years in office and still they have not done anything. They are a complete shambles and instead of admitting that, you continue to stick by tribal politics and make excuses left, right and centre for them.

[DrLacero]

In my opinion, yes.

Kids these days have no respect, screw their rights.

[AgnesIO]

In my opinion, yes.

Kids these days have no respect, screw their rights.

How old are you?

Kds have no less respect than 15 years ago.. And if you are over 18 it is YOUR fault. I mean someone must have taught us this, so surely it is the adults fault?

[lazerman]

I might seem to get off topic here but,

If adults were to blame, then say for instance I had a daughter and my and my wife were very good parents, and suddenly our daughter turned 'sketty' or 'slaggy' and always ended up going out and doing things with boys. Who would you blame? The parents who tried growing her up all these years?

Parents are the ones not to blame, kids our age, we do different things because of different factors that happen in our life. So before pointing the blame on adults on how kids affect us, look outside the box. The media since the 1980's has always been something in the sexual desires, therefore growing in to a huge fashion now of sexual stuffffff.

Sorry, I went off topic but I hope you get my understanding of what I was trying to say.

[DrLacero]

How old are you?

Kds have no less respect than 15 years ago.. And if you are over 18 it is YOUR fault. I mean someone must have taught us this, so surely it is the adults fault?

18. I lived in London 15 years ago, and the kids there did have more respect.

And no, it's not the adult's fault. Kids rebel (or reject their socialisation to my fellow sociologists) and ignore what they've been taught.

Yesterday afternoon while on the public bus to uni, a group of teens were heckling an elderly women with some really foul insults. I would never have done that, and if they were my kids I they wouldn't see the outside world for weeks.

[FlyingJesus]

I see we're back to ignoring the key part of my post. There is no space.

Pretty sure any time I drive more than 20 miles out of town I'm going through a load of dead space, a lot of which seemingly can't even be used for crops and constantly has "for sale" signs up all over it.

How old are you?

Kds have no less respect than 15 years ago.. And if you are over 18 it is YOUR fault. I mean someone must have taught us this, so surely it is the adults fault?

Kids teach kids. I didn't learn to swear and fight from my parents, it was the playgrounds from as young as 6. When I had my first cigarette it wasn't my dad giving me it, it was that friend of a friend who nicked them from the corner shop. If you honestly believe that kids can't pick up bad habits without adults teaching it to them then you should be entirely in favour of this idea because you clearly think young people are so malleable and controllable as to simply solve all of their problems by keeping them locked up.

As for respect, there is a definite difference between now and 15 years ago, and it's utterly ridiculous to think otherwise.

[AgnesIO]

My parents taught me not to go around shouting abuse at any random person, they taught me not to go around stabbing people or breaking into places. My mates didn't teach me not to do that.

Many thugs in the world get their attitudes because their parents had been ****,

[Catzsy]

Statistics show that it is only a small minority of people who are responsible for most of the crime so a curfew is wrong.

What should be tackled is why this small minority commit these crimes which about 90% are fuelled by alcohol and drug taking.

Personally I would like to see drugs de-criminalised and available on prescription so there would be no need for drug dealers or crime and what they do to their own bodies is their own responsibility.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Statistics show that it is only a small minority of people who are responsible for most of the crime so a curfew is wrong.

What should be tackled is why this small minority commit these crimes which about 90% are fuelled by alcohol and drug taking.

Personally I would like to see drugs de-criminalised and available on prescription so there would be no need for drug dealers or crime and what they do to their own bodies is their own responsibility.

Would these drugs cost the taxpayer anything? - if so, then why should the state fund peoples dirty habits?

If these did cost on prescription, the likelyhood is that the amount you could get would not be enough and drug dealers would most likely to be able to undercut the price that the chemist is selling them for. More to the point, in bars, parties and clubs most people will take it as a spare of the moment thing so drug dealers will still have plenty of business to keep themselves afloat.

[Catzsy]

Would these drugs cost the taxpayer anything? - if so, then why should the state fund peoples dirty habits?

If these did cost on prescription, the likelyhood is that the amount you could get would not be enough and drug dealers would most likely to be able to undercut the price that the chemist is selling them for. More to the point, in bars, parties and clubs most people will take it as a spare of the moment thing so drug dealers will still have plenty of business to keep themselves afloat.

Dan, the taxpayers fund far more for these people at the moment - think of all the costs of law proceedings & police and hospital man hours connected to these people. It would cost the country a lot less.