Who will you be voting this summer?

[-:Undertaker:-]

This is just an unbelievably ill-informed, subjective and uneducated comment not based on any evidence or fact at all. Your posts would be so much better if you were a bit more objective, actually based on pertinant facts and didn't keep repeating the same information time and time again. The reason that members don't have 'the last word' is because you wear them out with rhetoric and just keep repeating yourself so then you think you have 'won' the argument. You are obviously very intelligent so I just don't get it :S

I don't know who I am voting for yet as Gordon Brown is not impressive and It maybe a blessing in disguise to lose and then get a new leader. If anything I think I would like to see some sort of co-olition. It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer.

Yes, i'll just look in my little 'Factbook on University Students and their relationship with drink' - come on now lets be sensible here, we all know younger people are mostly always skint and just because we have opposing political views doesnt mean you have to disagree with it. The fact people cant accept it when they know it to be true just because you/they dont agree with my politically shows how desperate people are to disagree. Kids drink, kids waste money because kids have no concept of the value of money. Its not a dig at them, its just common sense as shown by the amount of people who just waste EMA.

"It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer." - totally agree as they are all the same, hence either dont vote for them or vote another party.

I'm not sure you are the right person to be commenting on uni students. If you aren't one/haven't been one you just don't know. I happen to know (because I researched it myself when I planned on going to uni) that although it seems that all uni students do is go out and get hammered, these are just the ones you know about. There are of course students who don't even drink, what do you propose they 'waste' their money on. I think it's quite appalling that at 16/17 or whatever age you may be you are judging people your own age about how they spend their money. It's really of no consequence to you. I didn't waste my EMA and a number of my friends who recieved it didn't either. It just so happens that if a person spends some of their EMA on clothes, well you sort of need them to be able to attend college. If you spend it on transport, well again you do need that to actually attend. You are a very judgemental person who likes nothing more than to batter people down with the same old things time and time again. It gives you the impression you've won the argument but in fact you haven't, you've just put the person off replying because you are judgemental and don't listen.

I have said that there are kids who dont drink and who do not waste their money. Why is it when I say something you seem to think I am referring to everyone? - Judgemental because I disagree with you? - it is you who never listens (as shown by the fact you ignore the fact I never said it was all Uni students who watse money and would never say that) so maybe look at yourself before commenting on others.

[MrGazet]

I dnt vote...well maybe later lol

yer...I know its bad to not vote!

[Catzsy]

Yes, i'll just look in my little 'Factbook on University Students and their relationship with drink' - come on now lets be sensible here, we all know younger people are mostly always skint and just because we have opposing political views doesnt mean you have to disagree with it. The fact people cant accept it when they know it to be true just because you/they dont agree with my politically shows how desperate people are to disagree.

Kids drink, kids waste money because kids have no concept of the value of money. Its not a dig at them, its just common sense as shown by the amount of people who just waste EMA.

"It is not a good time for politics in this country with what the main parties have to offer." - totally agree as they are all the same, hence either dont vote for them or vote another party.

No I don't disagree with you just because we have opposing views I just prefer to back up my posts with valid evidence that gives some credence to it. Just because some of the media portrays students this way does not mean it is true for the vast majority of students. A statement like 'everyone knows' doesn't stand up to objective scrutiny at all. It is easy to do some research, surely =]

[Tash.]

I have said that there are kids who dont drink and who do not waste their money. Why is it when I say something you seem to think I am referring to everyone? - Judgemental because I disagree with you? - it is you who never listens (as shown by the fact you ignore the fact I never said it was all Uni students who watse money and would never say that) so maybe look at yourself before commenting on others.

I listen perfectly well. It is my opinion that you are judgemental of people, and yet again you have proven it. Yes you did state that there are exceptions, but the way you talk about it is as if all young people waste their money. Perhaps it's your style of writing that is inferring it, nevertheless you are. I aren't calling you judgemental because I disagree with you, I disagree with many peoples views on here yet I manage not to be angered by them when they post. That's because they do not cast wide ranging judgements on something they know relatively little about. You preach, and it's off putting because when you reply in a thread such as this one you know exactly what you are going to get, you writing something derogatory about Labour etc when really you don't know the full facts.

[LuketheDuke]

research for this guy means finding certain sites which agree with his opinion then spamming them on here contrary to much conflicting material elsewhere.

Im a uni student and know for an absolute fact students dont waste their money on booze, we budget for nights out but we also have heaps of other stuff to spend our loan on, for example societies, sports, books, train and coach fares home and then on food. Kinda insulted me when I read comments from people who make sweeping generalisations without the slightest form of evidence or experience for that matter.

And il be tactically voting LibDem in my constituency at home in an attempt to oust the loathsome tory David Heathcoat-Amory from his seat which he does nothing for!

[-:Undertaker:-]

No I don't disagree with you just because we have opposing views I just prefer to back up my posts with valid evidence that gives some credence to it. Just because some of the media portrays students this way does not mean it is true for the vast majority of students. A statement like 'everyone knows' doesn't stand up to objective scrutiny at all. It is easy to do some research, surely =]

Oh course it doesnt mean all students are like that, and I have never said once that all students are like that. A lot of students are like this, you see it in Liverpool for example where the students are out everynight having a good time in the clubs and bars. As I said, nothing wrong with that but to pretend most students are great at handling money is just absurd to say the very least.

Not really on the research, just using what I see and know which is the best type of research. If I quoted the Daily Mail it'd be biased against the government, if I quoted the Guardian it'd be biased towards the government and quoting a newspaper proves next to nothing anyway.

I listen perfectly well. It is my opinion that you are judgemental of people, and yet again you have proven it. Yes you did state that there are exceptions, but the way you talk about it is as if all young people waste their money. Perhaps it's your style of writing that is inferring it, nevertheless you are. I aren't calling you judgemental because I disagree with you, I disagree with many peoples views on here yet I manage not to be angered by them when they post. That's because they do not cast wide ranging judgements on something they know relatively little about. You preach, and it's off putting because when you reply in a thread such as this one you know exactly what you are going to get, you writing something derogatory about Labour etc when really you don't know the full facts.

Well i'm afraid that as above, I have never said all young people waste their money.

I don't get angered by posts lol, this is Habbo forum with a debate. I can put my point across without getting angry perfectely well, I might not include smilies all the time in my posts but that doesnt mean i'm sitting here with a red face furiously typing away. Again you say I dont know full facts but only because you disagree with me. I have always noticed the way when people run out of things to debate, they actually start attacking how the other person debates;- not debating the actual subject which you should be.

research for this guy means finding certain sites which agree with his opinion then spamming them on here contrary to much conflicting material elsewhere.

Im a uni student and know for an absolute fact students dont waste their money on booze, we budget for nights out but we also have heaps of other stuff to spend our loan on, for example societies, sports, books, train and coach fares home and then on food. Kinda insulted me when I read comments from people who make sweeping generalisations without the slightest form of evidence or experience for that matter.

And il be tactically voting LibDem in my constituency at home in an attempt to oust the loathsome tory David Heathcoat-Amory from his seat which he does nothing for!

I never really use sites to back my opinion up, otherwise it wouldnt be a debate if I kept quoting the Daily Mail, UKIP, the Bruges Group and so forth when i'm debating just like I wouldnt want a Labour supporter to quote the Guardian, Labour and so forth all the time when they are debating because thats not debating. Even when I do provide figures, people just ignore them and continue having a go at how I debate. And you are not insulted, as I have said before its not all students;- some will be very good at handling money and good for them.

As shown by the thread I linked to, most of the debates go on and on because often people try and avoid any questions i've put across and thus the whole thing continues for pages and pages, to which they still havent replied anyway and instead turn it from a debate on the BNP/UKIP/Labour or whatever to how I debate - just as is happening right here now.

[MrPinkPanther]

Never said kids could vote mate.

Why keep going on "kids" in relation to politics then? I'd also like to point out that you are still at Sixth form and regarded by many if not most as a "kid" yourself.

but the fact of the matter is that kids cannot and do no value money - hence why they are all usually skint for spending it all on getting hammered (while at Uni especially).

Yeh, you see you didn't say "some kids" you said all and you call them "kids" despite the fact that they are all older than you.

What decaying old system?

Oh wait you mean;

• Spend OUR money on OUR people.
• Increase military funding for OUR military.
• Leave corrupt, wasteful EU which our people dont want to be in.
• Stay as the United Kingdom and not a province of Europe.
• Lower taxes to people can spend their own money on themselves.
• Smaller government so it wastes less.

No, I'm actually talking about proportional representation and votes at 16 to make Britain a real democracy. I'm not going to go into the EU because it will go off of the point but the EU benefits us economically.

Well it may be old but it bloody well worked and its what people want. You are very good at dishing out great Obama-like phrases like 'Change!!' or 'Down with the old system and in with the new!!' but what exactly are you proposing?

If you read my post properly I think you will find it is the conservatives who are saying "Year of change". I am not proposing anything however my party is proposing a number of things, perhaps you should take some time to read them before criticising me?

On Labours track record if you really believe their government figures that crime has fallen then you really have fell for them. Although maybe crime has 'offically' fallen but that is only because sentences have fallen and most people the police dont even bother to try and catch now because if they do, it'll only cost money and time and they'll be let off.

Not really. Do your research next time mate. Both police crime figures (Number of convictions) and the BCS (British Crime Survey, independent body) point towards decreasing crime. The BCS surveys vast numbers of people asking them if they have been victims of crime so this isn't convictions or anything at all.

Its great the way the left constantly blames all their problems on the Conservatives and Thatcher yet right now they are pretty much following her economic policy (just overspending and wasting it). I do love it though when Liberal Democrats and Labour voters moan about higher taxes when Labour and the Liberal Democrats have always supported and raised taxes to fund their absurd wasteful spending programmes (no doubt we'll see some on this forum from them when the Tories are in office) - and they say turkeys dont vote for Christmas!

Yeh except....ummm....well I haven't criticised Thatcher or the "old" Conservatives have I? I have also never once moaned about higher taxes...you are hearing only what you want to hear.

[Seatherny]

Good, its a sensible thing to do. On Uni students, if they are getting hammered everyweek and are skint then they are no good at money and thus do not value it - why would they anyway?; very little bills if none at all, no family to provide for and just going out getting hammered every week. Don't paint them into something they are not, they are no little angels.

Like I said, you havent been to uni, so you have zero clue. You are just making yourself look silly by carrying on posting. Heres a tip: stop posting.

NO BILLS? PMSL

I didn't realise Student Accommodation was free, as well as internet bills, phone bills etc. ITS COMMON SENSE.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why keep going on "kids" in relation to politics then? I'd also like to point out that you are still at Sixth form and regarded by many if not most as a "kid" yourself.

Yeh, you see you didn't say "some kids" you said all and you call them "kids" despite the fact that they are all older than you.

I'm a kid, so whats your point?

No, I'm actually talking about proportional representation and votes at 16 to make Britain a real democracy. I'm not going to go into the EU because it will go off of the point but the EU benefits us economically.

I support the proportional representation part and I hope if theres a hung parliament that the Liberal Democrats force that through.

If you read my post properly I think you will find it is the conservatives who are saying "Year of change". I am not proposing anything however my party is proposing a number of things, perhaps you should take some time to read them before criticising me?

I have read Liberal Democrats policies, some of which I agree with but mostly disagree with. I used to support them myself.

Not really. Do your research next time mate. Both police crime figures (Number of convictions) and the BCS (British Crime Survey, independent body) point towards decreasing crime. The BCS surveys vast numbers of people asking them if they have been victims of crime so this isn't convictions or anything at all.

If thats the figures then maybe i'm wrong. Although is violent crime not on the rise?

Yeh except....ummm....well I haven't criticised Thatcher or the "old" Conservatives have I? I have also never once moaned about higher taxes...you are hearing only what you want to hear.

You haven't moaned no, and I never said you did. I made the point that if the Tories do raise taxes when they are in office, watch the Labour supporters on here complain about those nasty Tories taxing us to clean up the mess that Labour made.

Like I said, you havent been to uni, so you have zero clue. You are just making yourself look silly by carrying on posting. Heres a tip: stop posting.

NO BILLS? PMSL

I didn't realise Student Accommodation was free, as well as internet bills, phone bills etc. ITS COMMON SENSE.

No bills to the extent an adult has, and as for Uni of course I haven't been so I could be totally proved wrong couldn't I. I made the simple point though that kids (aka me a sixth former, college kids, Uni kids and sometimes older) have little concept of the value of money as proved from what I have seen around me with EMA.

By the way, still waiting for a reply to the BNP thread.

[Seatherny]

I'm a kid, so whats your point?



I support the proportional representation part and I hope if theres a hung parliament that the Liberal Democrats force that through.



I have read Liberal Democrats policies, some of which I agree with but mostly disagree with. I used to support them myself.



If thats the figures then maybe i'm wrong. Although is violent crime not on the rise?



You haven't moaned no, and I never said you did. I made the point that if the Tories do raise taxes when they are in office, watch the Labour supporters on here complain about those nasty Tories taxing us to clean up the mess that Labour made.



No bills to the extent an adult has, and as for Uni of course I haven't been so I could be totally proved wrong couldn't I. I made the simple point though that kids (aka me a sixth former, college kids, Uni kids and sometimes older) have little concept of the value of money as proved from what I have seen around me with EMA.

By the way, still waiting for a reply to the BNP thread.

I havent had time to read the BNP thread but I will reply by this weekend. And believe me, Uni students know the value of money.