The Conservative Party fails to apply the sense check

[Bun]

idiots. it's just a statistic to them, it means nothing. they need to jump off their high horses if they wish to win this election, which seemed almost impossible for them to lose only a couple of months ago.

[Catzsy]

Of course it is about the Conservative Party, and i'm just pointing out kindly to all the Labour supporters on here that the Labour Party has also made mistakes, serious and questionable mistakes. On Iraq, Iraq did not have any Weapons of Mass Destruction so I really dont need to wait for a toothless enquiry to deliver its verdict, of which if there was ever anything important in there it would be censored.

WMD were not found - it does not mean there weren't any. Sadam Hussein had broken 10 UN resolutions before anyway in respect of them anyway. :S I cannot be so cynical, or as highminded, to just dismiss the enquiry as 'toothless' or question it's independence. I may have to eat my words when it does come out but I hope not.

[-:Undertaker:-]

WMD were not found - it does not mean there weren't any. Sadam Hussein had broken 10 UN resolutions before anyway in respect of them anyway. :S I cannot be so cynical, or as highminded, to just dismiss the enquiry as 'toothless' or question it's independence. I may have to eat my words when it does come out but I hope not.

The enquiry, if you saw the questioning of Mr Blair you would see how toothless the enquiry really is. He is a slimeball who is very good at avoiding questions and none of them pressed him, they asked him a question and he went off on a big speech about something totally not related to the question asked and then they went to the next question. It shouldn't even be an enquiry, should be held at a court where they should all be tried to see how guilty/innocent they all really are. I'm sure we'd get a lot more skeletons coming out of the closet when they are all fighting to save their own skins than that of Blair and co.

So we should just invade countries on the pretext of 'we dont like him so we think he could have WMD' - come on now, and with regard for resolutions - you mean like the countless UN resolutions Israel has broken?. It is not upto the United Nations to tell Iraq or Iran what to do and in regards to Iran, Israel has a fully-fledged illegal nuclear weapons programme in operation that it still denies having but Iran is not allowed to build nuclear power plants.

One rule for us, another for them?

[Jordy]

Something has gone wrong it would seem, however if a minor mistake like this is worthy of a thread it makes me wonder what the Labour party have. Why don't you create some threads on some amazing new policies the Labour party has to bring? Is criticising a minor conservative mistake the best the Labour party can do?

Maybe you should learn from Michael Howard who lost the last election by focusing his campaign on criticism of Labour. It won't work.

Everyone has also overlooked that the statistic is 5.4% anyway, I see that's it a whole lot better than 54% but it is by no means something to shout about, that is still an incredibly worrying statistic and further proof of the so-called "Broken Britain", I'm not a fan of the term but it has to be said.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Something has gone wrong it would seem, however if a minor mistake like this is worthy of a thread it makes me wonder what the Labour party have. Why don't you create some threads on some amazing new policies the Labour party has to bring? Is criticising a minor conservative mistake the best the Labour party can do?

Maybe you should learn from Michael Howard who lost the last election by focusing his campaign on criticism of Labour. It won't work.

Everyone has also overlooked that the statistic is 5.4% anyway, I see that's it a whole lot better than 54% but it is by no means something to shout about, that is still an incredibly worrying statistic and further proof of the so-called "Broken Britain", I'm not a fan of the term but it has to be said.

Don't agree with that, Howards campaign in 2005 was pretty successful in the circumstances provided and Howard did get more votes in England than Blair did. Howard gained 33 seats in a FPTP system in which it was very hard to gain a swing, especially considering the amount of votes they had to pull away from Blair. If Howard was leader now, or even Hague then i'm pretty sure the Conservatives would be far more popular in the polls - afterall they should be as this government is possibly the most disasterous government we have ever had.

Cameron is isolating Tory voters more and more, England is right-wing and theres no doubt about that. Cameron does he not call himself the 'heir to Blair' and says the Conservatives are the same as the Liberal Democrats?. Everytime I read the comments on the Telegraph or the Daily Mail (most Conservative newspapers) all I see is the usual "I used to vote Conservative but me and my family are all voting BNP/UKIP". Infact its been said that the Tory vote could be lower than opinion polls suggest as they have been losing Council By-elections for a period of time now.

As i've said in past, swap Cameron for Hannan, Johnson, Hague or even IDS and you'd have yourself a strong majority in the polls which would translate into a strong parliamentary majority. If you ask anyone nowdays, and even myself who follows politics avidly - I can't actually name one difference between the Conservative Party and the Labour Party.

[Jordy]

Don't agree with that, Howards campaign in 2005 was pretty successful in the circumstances provided and Howard did get more votes in England than Blair did. Howard gained 33 seats in a FPTP system in which it was very hard to gain a swing, especially considering the amount of votes they had to pull away from Blair. If Howard was leader now, or even Hague then i'm pretty sure the Conservatives would be far more popular in the polls - afterall they should be as this government is possibly the most disasterous government we have ever had.

Cameron is isolating Tory voters more and more, England is right-wing and theres no doubt about that. Cameron does he not call himself the 'heir to Blair' and says the Conservatives are the same as the Liberal Democrats?. Everytime I read the comments on the Telegraph or the Daily Mail (most Conservative newspapers) all I see is the usual "I used to vote Conservative but me and my family are all voting BNP/UKIP". Infact its been said that the Tory vote could be lower than opinion polls suggest as they have been losing Council By-elections for a period of time now.

As i've said in past, swap Cameron for Hannan, Johnson, Hague or even IDS and you'd have yourself a strong majority in the polls which would translate into a strong parliamentary majority. If you ask anyone nowdays, and even myself who follows politics avidly - I can't actually name one difference between the Conservative Party and the Labour Party.

It was was an improvement yes but it was by no means successful seeing as he wasn't elected. One of the main reasons for this is he focused his campaign on just criticizing Blair and his government constantly rather than talking about policies (Which were actually quite good, although controversial). The voter didn't like his nasty style election campaign and if Labour choose to go down that road, it's just another nail in their coffin.

[Catzsy]

The enquiry, if you saw the questioning of Mr Blair you would see how toothless the enquiry really is. He is a slimeball who is very good at avoiding questions and none of them pressed him, they asked him a question and he went off on a big speech about something totally not related to the question asked and then they went to the next question. It shouldn't even be an enquiry, should be held at a court where they should all be tried to see how guilty/innocent they all really are. I'm sure we'd get a lot more skeletons coming out of the closet when they are all fighting to save their own skins than that of Blair and co.

So we should just invade countries on the pretext of 'we dont like him so we think he could have WMD' - come on now, and with regard for resolutions - you mean like the countless UN resolutions Israel has broken?. It is not upto the United Nations to tell Iraq or Iran what to do and in regards to Iran, Israel has a fully-fledged illegal nuclear weapons programme in operation that it still denies having but Iran is not allowed to build nuclear power plants.

One rule for us, another for them?

Dan, you know that is an extremely symplistic argument in respect of Iraq and you may think Tony Blair is a slimeball so we will agree to disagree on that one as we obviously agree to disagree on the virtues of Margaret Thatcher. I am not going to go on about the global terrorist threat again because you can't see my point if view on that either. As far as Israel is concerned it is a very complicated area and I didn't know they had nuclear weapons - do you have a link to this? I do have sympathies with the Palestinians over this issue and feel perhaps that Israel is being treated far too sensitively in respect of the land issues. Maybe too much has been made on their 'history' and it's time not to forget but to be a bit more firm with them.

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This makes me support my signature even more

[Jordy]

Dan, you know that is an extremely symplistic argument in respect of Iraq and you may think Tony Blair is a slimeball so we will agree to disagree on that one as we obviously agree to disagree on the virtues of Margaret Thatcher. I am not going to go on about the global terrorist threat again because you can't see my point if view on that either. As far as Israel is concerned it is a very complicated area and I didn't know they had nuclear weapons - do you have a link to this? I do have sympathies with the Palestinians over this issue and feel perhaps that Israel is being treated far too sensitively in respect of the land issues. Maybe too much has been made on their 'history' and it's time not to forget but to be a bit more firm with them.

With regards to Israels Nuclear Weapons it does almost definitely have them yes. They don't really release statistics on them or anything seeing as they illegally hold them, if they were to admit to carrying them they would be breaking international law, although it's widely accepted they do have them. The same goes for Pakistan & India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...ss_destruction

It's mainly the British who surprisingly helped them with their nuclear programme, with assistance from France and the US.

If Israel were to get rid of their nuclear weapons I'm pretty certain that Iran would no longer feel threatened so much and probably stop making theirs as well, but the West just seems to support Israel and can't see anything from Iran's perspective.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Dan, you know that is an extremely symplistic argument in respect of Iraq and you may think Tony Blair is a slimeball so we will agree to disagree on that one as we obviously agree to disagree on the virtues of Margaret Thatcher. I am not going to go on about the global terrorist threat again because you can't see my point if view on that either. As far as Israel is concerned it is a very complicated area and I didn't know they had nuclear weapons - do you have a link to this? I do have sympathies with the Palestinians over this issue and feel perhaps that Israel is being treated far too sensitively in respect of the land issues. Maybe too much has been made on their 'history' and it's time not to forget but to be a bit more firm with them.

No that is the bottom line of it, no matter how many times you say you think Saddam Hussein might have WMD still hidden, no matter what you say about Afhganistan and how we could win it - both are totally and utterly different to the Falklands. In regards to Thatcher, if Nazi Germany (comparable as the regime in Argentina was a brutal undemocratic regime in collapse) invaded and annexed Dover would you support sitting down for talks or would you support military action? - its very different when the shoe is on the other foot isnt it which adds to what Jordy said.

In regards to Israel I believe the guy who exposed the nuclear weapons programme to the British Press (the Times newspaper) was abducted or arrested (one of them) by Mossad and was only released from prison a few years ago. 'A bit more firm' - so its perfectly alright to invade Iraq on the pretext that they might have WMD, but when we know Israel has them we just need to be a 'bit more firm' with them.

It is that exact outlook that breeds hatred towards the western world.