ITV to create Pay Per View Channels

[StefanWolves]

That's true, like on Sky Box Office when they have the boxing on, you pay like £15 for the fight and are bombarded with tonnes of adverts between rounds, like what the **** I paid for this, why advertise?

[Seatherny]

I said;

"The voting point is totally correct aswell and thats another reason why major issues in this country aswell as lower down issues should be decided via referendum and not by the ruling elite, who are totally out of touch as shown by yet another disgusting self-reward they have given themselves."

..to which you replied;

"Sounds about right to me."

You also +repped me for that exact post saying that for once you agreed with me.

Anyone who reads my full post will know that line "Sounds about right to me." was NOT about the referendum. It was a sarcasm line about how MPs get paid more than the Police and Firemen. Its obvious :S. Do you not read?

The whole post was:

Firemen and Police put their lives at risk to save others and get paid peanuts. MP's show their faces, get a photo take and have everything paid for them and get a huge salary. I don't think they spend much of their salary as they don't need to.

Sounds about right to me.

-rep for making a blatant lie and trying to show people I posted something about something when I obviously didnt.

Like I said, learn to quote the whole thing :rolleyes:

I gave you +rep for this part of your post which you seem to have left out again ...

The problem is that nowadays we have career politicians who have never done a real days work in their life and only aim to better themselves (the likes of Tony Blair & David Cameron as prime examples).

Anyone with a common sense knows my reply fits in with that line. My post has nothing to do with referendums.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Anyone who reads my full post will know that line "Sounds about right to me." was NOT about the referendum. It was a sarcasm line about how MPs get paid more than the Police and Firemen. Its obvious :S. Do you not read?

The whole post was:

-rep for making a blatant lie and trying to show people I posted something about something when I obviously didnt.

Like I said, learn to quote the whole thing :rolleyes:

I gave you +rep for this part of your post which you seem to have left out again ...

Anyone with a common sense knows my reply fits in with that line. My post has nothing to do with referendums.

I see what you mean although you replied to my post which suggests you actually did agree with me, otherwise you would not of quoted me. Although having said that, if you are actually truthful in what you are saying I take that back and apoligise. On the issue; you even said you support referendums on large issues which might affect the whole country, and the European Union and the death penalty fall under that banner. I and UKIP itself is not proposing that national referendums are held on pointless things; the idea is simply letting people decide what they want rather than what the politicians want.

You yourself have expressed disgust at the MPs and how they are totally out of touch with reality and public opinion, why not actually honour that opinion with the only solution possible which is to let the people decide and not the ruling elite? - just because its a policy of UKIP does not mean you have to oppose it.

The death penalty for instance;- I have proven to you with various polls that the majority of the British people want the death penalty brought back, that is a fact like it or not. Let us allow the British people to decide rather than the politicians. You may be opposed to the death penalty(?) and a referendum could one day come up and pass which I disagree with, although because the majority democratically decided I would accept it. That is democracy. Is it any wonder why people are so fed up with politicians?

The BBC itself has 55 top executives paid more than the British Prime Minister - that is not acceptable, and neither is a £1 billion makeover for the BBC HQ. Neither is a salary for Jonathan Ross which goes into the millions. If the BBC were a private company then fair enough, its their money and its your choice to pay for that service and thus you have to expect that from the service. It is not acceptable that the BBC wastes countless amounts of cash when it is compulsory to purchase the license fee.

You say the BBC is popular and people want to keep paying the license fee;- if that is the case then why are you and the BBC so afraid of it being privatised?

[Seatherny]

I see what you mean although you replied to my post which suggests you actually did agree with me, otherwise you would not of quoted me. Although having said that, if you are actually truthful in what you are saying I take that back and apoligise. On the issue; you even said you support referendums on large issues which might affect the whole country, and the European Union and the death penalty fall under that banner. I and UKIP itself is not proposing that national referendums are held on pointless things; the idea is simply letting people decide what they want rather than what the politicians want.

You yourself have expressed disgust at the MPs and how they are totally out of touch with reality and public opinion, why not actually honour that opinion with the only solution possible which is to let the people decide and not the ruling elite? - just because its a policy of UKIP does not mean you have to oppose it.

The death penalty for instance;- I have proven to you with various polls that the majority of the British people want the death penalty brought back, that is a fact like it or not. Let us allow the British people to decide rather than the politicians. You may be opposed to the death penalty(?) and a referendum could one day come up and pass which I disagree with, although because the majority democratically decided I would accept it. That is democracy. Is it any wonder why people are so fed up with politicians?

The BBC itself has 55 top executives paid more than the British Prime Minister - that is not acceptable, and neither is a £1 billion makeover for the BBC HQ. Neither is a salary for Jonathan Ross which goes into the millions. If the BBC were a private company then fair enough, its their money and its your choice to pay for that service and thus you have to expect that from the service. It is not acceptable that the BBC wastes countless amounts of cash when it is compulsory to purchase the license fee.

You say the BBC is popular and people want to keep paying the license fee;- if that is the case then why are you and the BBC so afraid of it being privatised?

I quote you as I agreed with the first line of your post and my whole post related to that. Its common sense ... :S You obviously seem to lack the ability to realise which bit of a post relates to which bit of the quote.

You want referendums on everything ... or almost everything. Its very expensive and a waste of money. People vote for their MP so they can make sensible decisions, not ask the public most of the time.
I support referendums for things such as "should there be congestion charge in Manchester" ... which most people in Manchester agree with too.

Yes alot of the MPs are out of touch, but holding thousands of referendums a year isnt the answer. Its cutting down their salaries and making it extremely strict. Right now they live like the Queen.

Death Penalty: You linked to a poll from 2003. Secondly it said most who agree are those whp have been a victim of a crime (so its obvious they want the criminals be heavily punished). Like I said, Death Penalty was a form of public entertainment in alot of the places in UK. If you disagree, it just shows how little you know about it - hence over 65s voted yes.

"The Future" of the country, e.g. people in their 20's voted no.

About BBC: Anyone with a slight clue in business will know that privatising the BBC will have a huge effect on it and it will in no way be able to keep alot of its services. If ITV is struggling now with adverts, BBC will die away. It would mean people wont get quality shows for all ages.

[Gibs960]

Hardly any one would pay to watch ITV 2, 3 & 4, they're crap as it is so how what difference is us paying gonna make.

[Catzsy]

I see what you mean although you replied to my post which suggests you actually did agree with me, otherwise you would not of quoted me. Although having said that, if you are actually truthful in what you are saying I take that back and apoligise. On the issue; you even said you support referendums on large issues which might affect the whole country, and the European Union and the death penalty fall under that banner. I and UKIP itself is not proposing that national referendums are held on pointless things; the idea is simply letting people decide what they want rather than what the politicians want.

You yourself have expressed disgust at the MPs and how they are totally out of touch with reality and public opinion, why not actually honour that opinion with the only solution possible which is to let the people decide and not the ruling elite? - just because its a policy of UKIP does not mean you have to oppose it.

The death penalty for instance;- I have proven to you with various polls that the majority of the British people want the death penalty brought back, that is a fact like it or not. Let us allow the British people to decide rather than the politicians. You may be opposed to the death penalty(?) and a referendum could one day come up and pass which I disagree with, although because the majority democratically decided I would accept it. That is democracy. Is it any wonder why people are so fed up with politicians?

The BBC itself has 55 top executives paid more than the British Prime Minister - that is not acceptable, and neither is a £1 billion makeover for the BBC HQ. Neither is a salary for Jonathan Ross which goes into the millions. If the BBC were a private company then fair enough, its their money and its your choice to pay for that service and thus you have to expect that from the service. It is not acceptable that the BBC wastes countless amounts of cash when it is compulsory to purchase the license fee.

You say the BBC is popular and people want to keep paying the license fee;- if that is the case then why are you and the BBC so afraid of it being privatised?

Why would we be afraid of having the BBC privatised - the fact we do not want it privatised has nothing to do with fear. The BCC does need to look at its costs as it is at the moment. Nobody would deny that but privatisation is the the panacea for everything. To sound like a demented parrot I would repeat that the BBC is held is high esteem all over the world and I do believe the majority of the the UK do not mind paying approximately £2.50 a week to see high quality programmes when the vast majority of privatised TV has dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Also you seem to think that referendums are the answer to everything. In that case why not just sack the whole government and have a panel issuing referendums? Yes it is a silly idea. As you yourself said recently in a post.

An excellent post, what the left always ignores is popular opinion but what it also forgets is that in the end the majority opinion always wins because that is democracy.

We will see what that is at the next general election and I cannot for one minute see privatising the BBC on the agenda for the next parliament whoever wins.

[Nuxty]

This idea is actually terrible. The fact ITV3 & 4 are complete crap makes it a whole lot worse! ITV1 is there, yes for everyone. Then ITV2 was brought in as part of the ITV Digital service which went bust shortly after freeview.

What would be the point in making people pay for ITV2 when the majority of the programmes are American or Repeats?

They would also lose a lot of contracts with shows such as What Katie Did Next, The Xtra Factor (People wouldn't pay to see these, so the creators would pull out) which are ITV2 favourites. I feel this idea hasn't been thought through and their best bet would be just to leave things as it is and negotiate with the BBC on a bigger cut from the TV License.

They would also need to sort out the quality of their shows if they were to make people pay.

If they did make people pay for the additional ITV Channels and it didn't work they lose a whole lot of money. Seriously the people running these channels need a slap. Good old BBC is still up there.

Well anyway, that’s my opinion.

[StefanWolves]

you have only focused on one aspect that I listed.... go read the opening post again.

the one option is very viable for ITV and makes sense, however I do agree with what you have said above about itv 2-4.

[Black_Apalachi]

At the end of the day, it is clear that ITV are ******. We already knew that they pretty much depend on the X-Factor and nobody even likes that any more. They don't even have the F1 any more either. This is a blatant act of desperation and it's never going to work. If I was to give them any advice, I'd tell them to sack off ITV2/3/4 etc and just focus on ITV1. Their other channels are dire anyway. Even Channel Five is better than ITV at the moment; at least they have some football rights and they're always showing films with the occasional decent action movie.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I quote you as I agreed with the first line of your post and my whole post related to that. Its common sense ... :S You obviously seem to lack the ability to realise which bit of a post relates to which bit of the quote.

No, you seperated it from the other part of the quote in reply to the second part of my reply which called for referendums to be held. But have it your way if it makes you happy.

You want referendums on everything ... or almost everything. Its very expensive and a waste of money. People vote for their MP so they can make sensible decisions, not ask the public most of the time.
I support referendums for things such as "should there be congestion charge in Manchester" ... which most people in Manchester agree with too.

It is not very expensive at all, most would be made to coincide with local elections thus costing very little extra ontop of the elections. I do not want referendums on everything, infact it would be up to the British people which referendums they wanted (the Swiss system) where once a certain percent call for a referendum (say 5%) then one if granted on a national scale, same way at local levels. You support a referendum on congestion charging yet you say they are a waste of money - the death penalty and the European Union are one billion times more important than a congestion charge although I agree the idea of congestion charging should also be put to referendum where it is proposed.

Yes alot of the MPs are out of touch, but holding thousands of referendums a year isnt the answer. Its cutting down their salaries and making it extremely strict. Right now they live like the Queen.

If they are out of touch (as you have admitted) then the only way to get them to represent us properly is by using referendums. For years now the British state has acted against the will of the people and continues to do so. You tell me what is so wrong about people having a say over how their country is run? - because that is democracy and Switzerland has the same system that is very successful.

Death Penalty: You linked to a poll from 2003. Secondly it said most who agree are those whp have been a victim of a crime (so its obvious they want the criminals be heavily punished). Like I said, Death Penalty was a form of public entertainment in alot of the places in UK. If you disagree, it just shows how little you know about it - hence over 65s voted yes.

"The Future" of the country, e.g. people in their 20's voted no.

Well i'm sorry if I cannot find anymore recent polls through no fault of my own although admittely support has dropped in recent years anyway. Although as I have said before; it ranges from the 50% mark upwards. The death penalty was not a form of public entertainment in Britain i'm sorry but you are totally making this up out of thin air. The over 65s support it more than the younger generations because its a well known fact that students are far more left wing and gradually most people become more to the right as they age. Of course you will dispute this, but even look at the famous Winston Churchill quote on it. The 'future of the country' as you put it do not rule this country i'm afraid, the majority is supposed to rule the country.

Do you agree we should hold a referendum on it though just to settle the issue once and for all?

That is democracy (the majority decides).. get it?

About BBC: Anyone with a slight clue in business will know that privatising the BBC will have a huge effect on it and it will in no way be able to keep alot of its services. If ITV is struggling now with adverts, BBC will die away. It would mean people wont get quality shows for all ages.

What can you not grasp about the concept of 'I do not want a service' or 'I do not watch the BBC' or even 'I think the BBC has poor quality shows that I am not interetsed in' - you keep saying the BBC is so fantastic and that people would truly miss it, well anyone with a grasp of business in them (to lend a phrase) would know that if the BBC is indeed that popular and worthwhile - it wouldnt fail to attract customers. Now either you can accept that some people do not want to pay the license fee and have no interest in the BBC and thus should not pay for it or you can believe that the BBC is really popular, in which case what is the problem with it being privatised?

ITV is struggling because of the grip the BBC has on the market due to it having endless funds (as was the case in the 1970s with a wasteful public sector including British Telecom and the mines) & so is Channel 4 for that matter. You say again that it would mean an end to quality shows yet you paint this picture of the BBC being ever-so popular and wanted that it would be truly terrible if it was privatised despite the fact that if it was so good as you say it is then it would have no issue with funding itself like any other business. Which is it?

Why would we be afraid of having the BBC privatised - the fact we do not want it privatised has nothing to do with fear. The BCC does need to look at its costs as it is at the moment. Nobody would deny that but privatisation is the the panacea for everything. To sound like a demented parrot I would repeat that the BBC is held is high esteem all over the world and I do believe the majority of the the UK do not mind paying approximately £2.50 a week to see high quality programmes when the vast majority of privatised TV has dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Also you seem to think that referendums are the answer to everything. In that case why not just sack the whole government and have a panel issuing referendums? Yes it is a silly idea. As you yourself said recently in a post.

We will see what that is at the next general election and I cannot for one minute see privatising the BBC on the agenda for the next parliament whoever wins.

In answer to the bold part; so what is the problem with it being privatised? - because if it is as you say it is, it would still retain customers (like any other business manages to do) and business thus making hardly any difference just releasing the corporation from the grip of the government and thus by making it private, it would also mean the BBC would have to be a lot more careful with how and where it spends its money (as you said, part of the problem at the moment).

To the referendums part; I dont recall saying we should scrap government and that we should introduce a panel which sets out referendums because that is totally unworkable (although i'd be grateful for somebody to point out where I made this suggestion!). The concept is pretty simple; issues which have a demand to be put to a referendum are put to a referendum and thus remove that decison making from parliament which is obsessed with party whipping and party politics. The only people who have to fear referendums are those who are against majority opinion (namely the left). The concept of democracy is rather pretty plain and straight-forward; the majority decide.

Government is there to run things it should run and can run to the best of its ability, it is not there to interfere, it is not there to dictate to the majority and it is not there to hamper and pamper people. The privatisation of the BBC is not on the agenda for our politicians at the moment you are right, neither is the issue of the European Union (costs billiions and dictates the majority of our laws), neither is crime and punishment (murderers and scum walking free), neither is the deficeit (Labour refuses to cut while the Tories are the same and want higher taxation which stifles growth).

So no, you are right these sort of issues are not on the agenda of the out of touch politicians and they haven't been for a long time.