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    They think he'll be a one term President as well, well i'm pretty glad. I was no fan of George W Bush and Anglo-American foreign policy at all but at least Bush admire and to some extent understood the Anglo-American bond where as Obama has no regard for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    They think he'll be a one term President as well, well i'm pretty glad. I was no fan of George W Bush and Anglo-American foreign policy at all but at least Bush admire and to some extent understood the Anglo-American bond where as Obama has no regard for it.
    Bush was in for 2 terms, and I fully supported him, at least he did some good.

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    Can i ask what good he did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sex View Post
    Can i ask what good he did?
    cared about britain, released that a big relation with britain was a good thing and not to treat us like **** like big forehead does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titch View Post
    cared about britain, released that a big relation with britain was a good thing and not to treat us like **** like big forehead does.
    That's good, but what I think Americans want to know what he did good for America (a)
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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    They think he'll be a one term President as well, well i'm pretty glad. I was no fan of George W Bush and Anglo-American foreign policy at all but at least Bush admire and to some extent understood the Anglo-American bond where as Obama has no regard for it.
    Pretty silly, if you ask me. To say the Anglo-American bond is crucial at this time isn't the best thing to convey. Obama is busy at home, he took on a country with overflowing domestic probolems. He is focusing on his people first and formost, before any Anglo-American bond. Relations aren't in the pit or anything.

    Although I must say at this current point, Obama is bringing nothing that special to the country. He is doing a solid job, achieving a few of his campaign promises.

    You guys are judging a president on whether he cared on Britian, that is only a minor thing. Obama actually brought a better image abroad, so that's way more positive than Mr. Bush who was simply a lame duck. In actual sense, Bush brought worse international reputation to Britain than better. Although, he may be a one term president as most of the rich businessmen in America dislike his policies.
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    can someone please explain to me what the anglo-american 'special' relationship apart from:

    -pressuring britain to join stupid, costly wars and:
    -not extraditing those resposible for friendly fire in afghanistan,
    -arguably making us less safe in a stupid 'war on terror' and
    -signing one-way extradition treaties.
    -not giving us backing over the fawkland islands

    seems like a bit of a myth...

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    Bush hmm. While I would blame him (and of course Blair) for the war in Iraq I do think the Anglo-American relationship was particularly strong and positive at the time, reaching the heights of Thatcher/Reagan times.

    I do honestly believe Bush did the right thing after 9/11 though and the polls reflected this (His popularity soared). The nation was devastated at the time, he got people confident in the government again. He also did virtually everything possible to defend and secure America, I honestly don't think he could of done even more, even to the point he chased the terrorists back to Afghanistan. I do believe his motives were right for that war and he was a truly excellent leader during them times.

    Of course though, I can only judge American presidents on their Anglo-American and Foreign relations. From what I understand, the US Car industry was crippled under him and then when the credit crunch hit, it was doomed. In his last year of presidency he also did very little, instead leaving it all up to the next administration. He was voted in for four years, not three years. It's my understanding he also brought large amounts of debt to the USA.

    Obama certainly isn't all that amazing, I know it's still fairly early days, but it's clear he is no miracle for America. There's still potential for him to be both a good or bad president, he won't be a great president though I can tell that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grig View Post
    Pretty silly, if you ask me. To say the Anglo-American bond is crucial at this time isn't the best thing to convey. Obama is busy at home, he took on a country with overflowing domestic probolems. He is focusing on his people first and formost, before any Anglo-American bond. Relations aren't in the pit or anything.

    Although I must say at this current point, Obama is bringing nothing that special to the country. He is doing a solid job, achieving a few of his campaign promises.

    You guys are judging a president on whether he cared on Britian, that is only a minor thing. Obama actually brought a better image abroad, so that's way more positive than Mr. Bush who was simply a lame duck. In actual sense, Bush brought worse international reputation to Britain than better. Although, he may be a one term president as most of the rich businessmen in America dislike his policies.
    The Anglo-American bond is always crucial and is the force that helped collapse the evil Soviet Union with the policies of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. The country is overflowing with domestic problems you are right but that is no reason to ignore the United Kingdom or treat as inferior/any other nation especially when the fact is that our soliders are fighting out in Afghanistan as we speak right now and thats a pretty important thing if you ask me, whether you agree with the war or not. Mr Bush was not a lame duck and to say so it just plain ignorant of the turbulent times of the two terms he served; I believe you have picked up the lame duck phrase from Farenheit 9/11(?) in which Michael Moore describes Bush before the 9/11 attacks. Now dont get me wrong, I loathe the way the Bush administration and Blair government acted and I find it shameful. However that said; two awful leaders are no reason to write the bond off.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexxxxx View Post
    can someone please explain to me what the anglo-american 'special' relationship apart from:

    -pressuring britain to join stupid, costly wars and:
    -not extraditing those resposible for friendly fire in afghanistan,
    -arguably making us less safe in a stupid 'war on terror' and
    -signing one-way extradition treaties.
    -not giving us backing over the fawkland islands

    seems like a bit of a myth...
    The Anglo-American bond has been dented and nearly destroyed under both the Blair-Bush partnership and Brown-Obama partnership which i myself hate. I am with you on this one, all of them things just make it look totally unworthwhile and unfair and they are. The Anglo-American bond was at its prime during the Thatcher-Reagan era and thats about it really if i'm honest, although the people of America are the closet people we have in terms of similarities with us.

    I hope the bond does come back one day on a fair and equal basis and i'm optimistic that it will, we will and so will the rest of the world when China begins to wake from its long deep sleep.
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