Dave stumbles on with more useless policies as the polls tighten

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David Cameron invoked John F Kennedy and Barack Obama today as he vowed to replace Labour's 'big government' with a 'big society' founded on responsibility and respect. Unveiling a string of policies aimed at reversing social breakdown, the Tory leader quoted the words of US President John F Kennedy in his inauguration address in 1961: 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.' Mr Cameron said he wanted every adult to be a member of a neighbourhood group as he pledged to create an 'army' of 5,000 trained community organisers to help people tackle social problems. The Conservatives are also proposing a new 'national citizens service', putting 16-year-olds on a two-month programme in which they will 'learn to be socially responsible'. And they say they would create an annual 'Big Society Day' to celebrate the work of neighbourhood groups and encourage more people to take part in social action projects.

Mr Cameron said his vision, which was derided by political opponents, was 'unashamedly optimistic and unapologetically ambitious'. 'But I didn't come into politics to do small things. I don't aspire to run this country to manage Britain's decline,' he added. 'I'm here because I want to bring change to this country and I believe we can change this country. Think of what individuals and communities can do and any despair is defeated. 'We can get our country moving. We can restore hope in our future. We can if we come together, work together and build the big society together.' Mr Cameron, who has been under pressure to set out a 'big idea' to give coherence to a range of Tory policies, claimed 'remaking society' was 'about as big as it gets'.

These type of policies remind me very much of Labour and Blair who Cameron describes himself as the 'heir to Blair'. Despite the fact the country badly needs government which will solve the mounting debt and economic crisis, Dave keeps wittering on with lets be honest, totally useless policies. Does anybody know the phrase Blunketts Bobbies or in other words, Community Support Officers that Labour brought in? - another idea just like that, what gives Dave the idea that tax paying people who have families to look after want to go trapsing around sink-estates where they will just get abuse thrown at them?

All it takes for Dave to get at least a 15% lead in the polls is for him to pledge simple things such as more police, tighter immigration controls, (our promised) referendum on the European Union, cut the state radically back, cut non-jobs within the state, cut benefits to those who refuse to work, tough in crime, more prisons to be built and so forth but he refuses point-blank to do it and comes out with stuff like the above and I read a few weeks ago he wants to make Britain 'family friendly' - what on earth does that even mean!!?. It is now more than ever we need a real Conservative Party, not this version that Cameron has morphed a great historic party into which resembles Blu Labour if anything.

Thoughts, is this policy realistic and worth it or not?

[jrh2002]

I think your right about it being a crap policy just like the plastic policeman who get laughed at and then dont have the powers to do anyting of importance.

To get law and order back we need to kill off the human rights bill, get the police out on the streets and give these gangs a good slapping
That copper who bashed that protester who was found innocent in the week should be given a medal Lets get the cain back in schools and put some fear back in the kids minds so they understand they are no longer going to be the victim from having a hard life so get away with most crimes they commit.

Do you have anybody in mind to take over from Cameron? Boris is thought to be the next in line and although I think hes great to watch on tv and also a very clever man the UK would come accross as having somebody slightly ******ed in charge.

[Tash.]

I'm not entirely sure what his vision is here, because when I try to imagine an army of community organisers, I see them being laughed at by yobs country wide. I don't even think his heart is in the right place, all he's doing is following a media lead about the worry of this country going to the dogs. It's a pointless policy and will do nothing even if he does get into power.

The reason he isn't pledging any of the things you mentioned btw, is because they are completely unrealistic. How you expect us to cut spending, while having more police, building more prisons, increasing jail terms and paying for a referendum. All of those things cost a damn load of money, and while I agree we do need more police, the rest of the things you listed are just not realistic and aren't going to happen during a recession i'm afraid. That's why he isn't pledging it, even he realises that it would be a lie to promise them.

[Jordy]

Hmm I have to agree with all of you here, they will be laughed at and it's totally useless. The whole Broken Britain thing may well be true but the Conservatives seem to be using it as a gimmick, they don't seem all that serious about fixing it. Labour are certainly in no high ground here with all these CPOs etc, I don't feel safer with them around seeing as they can't do anything. I've seen them moan at people for messing around on the swings at playgrounds, someone really doesn't need to do that. I'd rather all this money was spent on extra police officers and/or building prisons, I'd also like to see police bureaucracy cut down which prevents them from being on the streets.

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I think your right about it being a crap policy just like the plastic policeman who get laughed at and then dont have the powers to do anyting of importance.

To get law and order back we need to kill off the human rights bill, get the police out on the streets and give these gangs a good slapping
That copper who bashed that protester who was found innocent in the week should be given a medal Lets get the cain back in schools and put some fear back in the kids minds so they understand they are no longer going to be the victim from having a hard life so get away with most crimes they commit.

Do you have anybody in mind to take over from Cameron? Boris is thought to be the next in line and although I think hes great to watch on tv and also a very clever man the UK would come accross as having somebody slightly ******ed in charge.

Well there are some rather good Tories at the back who have Thatcherism in them (something Cast-iron Dave does not have) which is the force needed to get this country back on track, they are; Daniel Hannan, Boris Johnson and perhaps a few others. However I will not vote for anybody who does not promise us a referendum/a pledge to withdraw from the European Union because while I could elect somebody such as Johnson or Hannan, if they didnt withdraw from the EU it would be a pointless exercise as the EU is estimated to create 85% of laws and legislation now.

I'm not entirely sure what his vision is here, because when I try to imagine an army of community organisers, I see them being laughed at by yobs country wide. I don't even think his heart is in the right place, all he's doing is following a media lead about the worry of this country going to the dogs. It's a pointless policy and will do nothing even if he does get into power.

The reason he isn't pledging any of the things you mentioned btw, is because they are completely unrealistic. How you expect us to cut spending, while having more police, building more prisons, increasing jail terms and paying for a referendum. All of those things cost a damn load of money, and while I agree we do need more police, the rest of the things you listed are just not realistic and aren't going to happen during a recession i'm afraid. That's why he isn't pledging it, even he realises that it would be a lie to promise them.

Here we go again;

• National security comes before the budget.
• The money issues before the country dwarf the costs of new prisons which are urgently needed.
• This country creates enormous wealth which is wasted and does not have to be wasted.
• The cost of a referendum is pitiful.

The referendum point being the biggest point, we give £45 million a day to the European Union. Even if a referendum did cost £2 million (costs can also be lowered greatly by holding it on the same day as polling day) then we would save £43 million in one day even without that cost. Also its pointful to add that this figure is only direct payments to the European Union and does not include the cost to business and so forth which is estimated to run well over £100 billion per year.

The prison point I would like to ask you a question.. no actually tell you something; do not tell the people of this country that they do not deserve to be safe at night from dangerous people just because you [Labour] have wasted all the money you had, not to mention the fact you taxed us through our teeth to fund your wasteful projects which were never of any use to anybody. You cant afford prisons? - then stop wasting our money or at least give it back so we can spend it.