UKIP candidate suspended over racist comments

[Tintinnabulate]

No but we do not need more useless lazy people as we have enough already, like you say.

You only want those who will help this country but still wont give them permanent residency? Why should they come here then ...
And how will you prove who is an extremist?

[Fez]

You only want those who will help this country but still wont give them permanent residency? Why should they come here then ...
And how will you prove who is an extremist?

If people just want to come over here to LIVE and WORK, then that's fine by me. But if they want to come over here just to LIVE then first they have to prove they can contribute to the economy. That means WORKING.

I'm not sure if this is in UKIP's policies, but if an immigrant comes to work here for more than an allocated amount of time, speaks English and doesn't invite all of his second cousins over to squat with him illegally, then he should be given Britain citizenship and offered places to live; along with having to pay his share of taxes.

That's what the Lib Dems say, but I'm sure it's not just the Lib Dems.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You only want those who will help this country but still wont give them permanent residency? Why should they come here then ...
And how will you prove who is an extremist?

I would give them permanent residency after the 5-year freeze, its unfortunate that we need a freeze but its needed as we are in a situation where the system is totally out of control and is being abused which causes immense strain to the country as well as creating harmful social issues such as higher crime rates. They will come here for work, a lot of people such as French and Germans commute to the United Kingdom to the London financial sector for work and then return home. Those who wish to settle here would have to wait for a period of 5 years until the new system as been set up and the problems we have now are sorted. After the 5-year freeze (hopefully sooner depending on the time period it takes) they could then apply to permanently settle in the United Kingdom provided they;

- Are financially capable of supporting themselves.
- Are of working age which will benefit this country economically.
- Have qualifications which this country requires.
- Do not have a criminal record.
- Do not hold extremist views (would most likely come under the record issue).

[Fez]

- Do not hold extremist views (would most likely come under the record issue).

What defines 'extremist' views, this is a Democracy and all and I don't think it should be up to a government body to determine 'extremist views', aside from the obvious.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What defines 'extremist' views, this is a Democracy and all and I don't think it should be up to a government body to determine 'extremist views', aside from the obvious.

I would deem it as anyone who is deemed a threat to national security. I am a great believer in freedom of speech and democracy however I do not think it right to allow people in who only wish to stir up hatred with violence. The line to define this is difficult I agree, however I believe it should only cover those who want to wage war on the western world (in short, obvious threats to national security).

[Fez]

I would deem it as anyone who is deemed a threat to national security. I am a great believer in freedom of speech and democracy however I do not think it right to allow people in who only wish to stir up hatred with violence. The line to define this is difficult I agree, however I believe it should only cover those who want to wage war on the western world (in short, obvious threats to national security).

It would be hard to draw the line given the diversity of our immigration pooling. We can draw one line at people who would harm the country and its citizens and I guess it could stretch to foreign policy in regards to wanting to act violence on ethnic groups. Although that may follow under hate crimes.

[Tintinnabulate]

I would give them permanent residency after the 5-year freeze, its unfortunate that we need a freeze but its needed as we are in a situation where the system is totally out of control and is being abused which causes immense strain to the country as well as creating harmful social issues such as higher crime rates. They will come here for work, a lot of people such as French and Germans commute to the United Kingdom to the London financial sector for work and then return home. Those who wish to settle here would have to wait for a period of 5 years until the new system as been set up and the problems we have now are sorted. After the 5-year freeze (hopefully sooner depending on the time period it takes) they could then apply to permanently settle in the United Kingdom provided they;

- Are financially capable of supporting themselves.
- Are of working age which will benefit this country economically.
- Have qualifications which this country requires.
- Do not have a criminal record.
- Do not hold extremist views (would most likely come under the record issue).

You claim you dont dodge questions but you clearly do as I asked the below and you dodged it.

And how will you prove who is an extremist?

Anyway, if they are here, working, why should they have to wait 5 years for the system to be set up etc? Why not just give those who work the treatment of getting permanent residency within 4 years?

And if you dislike lazy asses so much, why not kick out those who do not work because they actually cba to?

[-:Undertaker:-]

You claim you dont dodge questions but you clearly do as I asked the below and you dodged it.

I posted just above you how you would define an extremist; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...33#post6412033 - I have not dodged the question, more like you dodged the answer.

Anyway, if they are here, working, why should they have to wait 5 years for the system to be set up etc? Why not just give those who work the treatment of getting permanent residency within 4 years?

And if you dislike lazy asses so much, why not kick out those who do not work because they actually cba to?

I just explained why we need a freeze, because the system needs sorting out and it will take a matter of years for the new system to be implemented. Those who apply now are applying under this system, so it would be pointless for a UKIP government to come in and say "alright we are sorting it out now" while at the same time the old system would continue running for a period of 5 years, and the old system is the problem. The issue with 'lazy asses'; how can we deport people who are solely British citzens? - we cannot, but we dont need more of them from other countries as we have enough of our own.

Theres the common sense solution of not adding to the problem, and allowing people in who will add to the problem just deepens the problem.

[Swastika]

I just think labour have had enough time to do it, and havnt done it, why not give somebody else a shot at helping the community?

What makes you think Tories / Lib Dems / UKIP / BNP etc would fix this issue?

[Catzsy]

According to Jordy who i've just spoke to about it, it depends on the visa. The visa for working is not classed as immigration as they are not settled in the United Kingdom. For example Austrialia has a strict immigration policy but allows workers to commute if need be to the country but not settle as it is an entirely seperate issue.

I want to allow people to come and work in this country but not allow them to settle here on a permanent basis for the time being while we sort out the immigration system which is being abused and is out of control.

Definition of immigration from the Oxford Dictionary of economics:

Immigration
Movement of foreign nationals to reside in a country. This does not include people on short visits, for business or as tourists. Immigrants may come with the intention of permanent settlement or with the intention of returning home after a prolonged stay.

So that means that people entering the country with a work permit which I guess is going to be not a short visit are immigrants. As I said before they cannot say they are freezing immigration and then allow people into work. The one statement totally disagrees with the other.