Prisoner's rights... has it gone a bit too far?

[Swastika]

Every legal system in the world is flawed, no countries legal system is 100% flaw-proof.
I believe we should change to the American legal system, because whether you want to admit it or not, the British legal system is a joke and does NOT work.
In America you don't get all these luxuries the British criminal gets, you get life for taking a life, you get about 1 hour a day out of your cell for exercise, and in some states you have to pay the ultimate price for taking somebodies life!
The typical British criminal isn't scared of life in prison because of the luxuries you get, most of them even have mobile phones lmao! It's a complete joke.
3 years for child porn charges? Joke. 10 years for a life sentence? Joke.

[kuzkasate]

I know lots of people that have been in jail, English and not and they all say it was like a vacation, every single one of them! They get XBOX'S, they can go to the gym, they can go work if they want, they have comfortable beds and stuff, wth?

Its meant to be a punishment, not a vacation. I know some Iranian guy who was in jail and he liked it so much, he commited another crime and got arrested because he just chilled in prison!

For example, in my country (Russia) you dont get any of that. You get a tiny little room, hardly any light, all dirty, crappy beds that hurt your back and they put so much people in one cell, that there is no room. They get disgusting food & they dont get any of those good things.. criminals should be treated exactly like this and not be given an easy time.

[immense]

I know lots of people that have been in jail, English and not and they all say it was like a vacation, every single one of them! They get XBOX'S, they can go to the gym, they can go work if they want, they have comfortable beds and stuff, wth?

Its meant to be a punishment, not a vacation. I know some Iranian guy who was in jail and he liked it so much, he commited another crime and got arrested because he just chilled in prison!

For example, in my country (Russia) you dont get any of that. You get a tiny little room, hardly any light, all dirty, crappy beds that hurt your back and they put so much people in one cell, that there is no room. They get disgusting food & they dont get any of those good things.. criminals should be treated exactly like this and not be given an easy time.

That's utter rubbish. With my uncle being the head of a prison and the other side of my family being in and out of prison on a frequent basis none of them say it's a vacation. On a vacation you can do what you want as and when you want. None of us can say the truth as our opinions are second hand and or media driven. I guarantee though that if any of us spent a week in prison we'd hate it so much and it wouldn't be much like a vacation. If you think it's like a vacation then hey stop going to school or working or whatever it is you may do and go and kill someone! One big vacation... oh wait... :rolleyes:

[kuzkasate]

That's utter rubbish. With my uncle being the head of a prison and the other side of my family being in and out of prison on a frequent basis none of them say it's a vacation. On a vacation you can do what you want as and when you want. None of us can say the truth as our opinions are second hand and or media driven. I guarantee though that if any of us spent a week in prison we'd hate it so much and it wouldn't be much like a vacation. If you think it's like a vacation then hey stop going to school or working or whatever it is you may do and go and kill someone! One big vacation... oh wait... :rolleyes:

No its not utter rubbish. For some people, living in prison is better than irl.

[immense]

No its not utter rubbish. For some people, living in prison is better than irl.

Because not having freedom and stuck in a building (regardless of the facilities) must be fab.

[kuzkasate]

Because not having freedom must be fabulous.

They might not have freedom, but they are treated as if they're bloody kings. They are criminals therefore should be treated like criminals. I know some guy that I used to live next too, he was arrested for selling drugs & he expected prison to be hell. He came out and said, "it wasnt really that bad, I mostly went in the gym and when I got bored went and chilled."

Yes, a real punishment isnt it.

[immense]

They might not have freedom, but they are treated as if they're bloody kings. They are criminals therefore should be treated like criminals. I know some guy that I used to live next too, he was arrested for selling drugs & he expected prison to be hell. He came out and said, "it wasnt really that bad, I mostly went in the gym and when I got bored went and chilled."

Yes, a real punishment isnt it.

That's a lie right there as they're not allowed out of their cells when they're bored. Certain times. They have certain lock down periods where everyone is expected to be in designated areas. They also have schedules too, they don't just strut into the gym as and when they want like you're making out. I'm not excusing criminals it's just infuriating that people just take for granted what they see in the media. Like I said, if you think it sounds so inviting why don't you go and commit a crime and enjoy your life in prison.

Yes, it is a punishment.

[Hitman]

Some people do not care for freedom. If you're a starving, homeless drug addict breaking into peoples houses to get money then prison WILL be like a holiday for you. You get fed, you can get washed, you can play computer games, watch TV, be warm... now if you are a normal person that has all of that anyway, then prison won't be like a holiday because you are more restricted and have to put up with some nasty people, but you do still get your TV, xbox, food, etc. which is wrong.

So yes, to those who don't get those luxuries in the first place will find prison as a nice place - better than sleeping rough on the streets. Those, like you and me, who have food, internet, tv, etc. will not enjoy it at all and will not want to be there, but the TV, gym, xbox, etc. will make it hell of a lot more bearable and not so bad.

[Swastika]

Doherty, your really getting on my nerves now thinking you know it all.
Do you agree the British legal system is a joke?
Do you agree that criminals are not getting long enough sentences?
Do you agree that criminals are not afraid of prison?

If yes to all three questions, you must then agree that prison isn't a scary place that everybody's scared of. I think you've been watching to much of that prison program that was on last week - prison's arn't that bad and most people that come out who i know have said its not that bad at all and it's nothing like what people say. The only people that will hate it is paedophiles and people sentenced for child crimes - and they'll hate it for obvious reasons, they'll get brayed all the time.
Prisons are NOT strict enough in this country, our legals system is a joke, our sentences are NOT long enough and our prisons DO have to many luxuries AND security obviously isn't tight enough in most prisons because a vast majority of prisoners have made a phone call from a mobile phone smuggled in at one point.

And your telling people if prison isn't that bad then go and commit a crime and see how we like it? I'm sure most of us on here have morales and are decent people - i think your failing to see that criminals aren't decent people? Criminals don't care about peoples feelings and have no respect for peoples personal items and such, the average HxF user does.
The fact that you are telling people to commit and crime and see how they like prison is ludicrous.

[immense]

Doherty, your really getting on my nerves now thinking you know it all.
Do you agree the British legal system is a joke?
Do you agree that criminals are not getting long enough sentences?
Do you agree that criminals are not afraid of prison?

If yes to all three questions, you must then agree that prison isn't a scary place that everybody's scared of. I think you've been watching to much of that prison program that was on last week - prison's arn't that bad and most people that come out who i know have said its not that bad at all and it's nothing like what people say. The only people that will hate it is paedophiles and people sentenced for child crimes - and they'll hate it for obvious reasons, they'll get brayed all the time.
Prisons are NOT strict enough in this country, our legals system is a joke, our sentences are NOT long enough and our prisons DO have to many luxuries AND security obviously isn't tight enough in most prisons because a vast majority of prisoners have made a phone call from a mobile phone smuggled in at one point.

And your telling people if prison isn't that bad then go and commit a crime and see how we like it? I'm sure most of us on here have morales and are decent people - i think your failing to see that criminals aren't decent people? Criminals don't care about peoples feelings and have no respect for peoples personal items and such, the average HxF user does.
The fact that you are telling people to commit and crime and see how they like prison is ludicrous.

The only thing within this thread that is ludicrous is how driven you lot are by tabloids. I don't know why I'm surprised seeing as there is a heavy UKIP following which is almost just as ludicrous. Lucky the wider general public are more clued up and know what is good for the country. When people are comparing prison to vacation when they've never been themselves it's ridiculous and clearly as you think you know everything you're agreeing with them. Let me tell you something to aid your understand, when I went on vacation, I was free to do as I please, spent time with my friends and had a splendid time. I wasn't stuck in an allocated area 24 hours of the day, like prisoners are.

I might be getting on your nerves, I couldn't give one. It's a forum, this is where discussion happens. If you're unable to comprehend opposing views then it's not the place for you quite simply. Although, everybody is disagreeing with me I'm not going to step back and post my opinions. Unlike prisoners, I can discuss what I want on here .

Now to your questions...

Do you agree the British legal system is a joke?

Nope.

Do you agree that criminals are not getting long enough sentences?

Maybe but that isn't what this topic is about. However, I hear just as often a case where I think a sentence is too long and where I think a sentence is too short. It's subjective and therefore it's never going to be 100% accurate.

Do you agree that criminals are not afraid of prison?

The majority are, yes. Of course, they are. It's crazy to suggest anything but.