Prisoner's rights... has it gone a bit too far?

[immense]

The central point you just mentioned can be answered to by this; a lot of people need money yet they dont go out and commit crime, not having money is not an excuse to commit crime or do you dispute that?

I have already explained in a previous post that there is no excuse. I'm working with facts and posting the truth. Something which it would seem the majority can't handle.

None of my points were driven by tabloids, they're driven from education.
Why have you brung UKIP up in a post answering to my post? I do not support UKIP and UKIP has nothing to do with my post. :S
Vacation? Again why are you bringing up yet another irrelevant point in a reply to my post?

Please re-read my post and then try and answer to it, maybe you've got this wrong and i think you need to understand that forums aren't for you when you can't even answer to a simple post without bringing up irrelevant and invalid points.

My god you shouldn't be using a forum. Those explanations were corroborating my points that replied to you. If you read my post I took the three questions your reply was centred around and replied to them - you either missed this or are trying too hard to belittle me and have forgotten I directly addressed your post, more than can be said for yours to mine. I am replying to comments you posted more than you're replying to mine. Just to clarify it for you because you blatantly haven't read the entirety of the thread, vacation was a term used by another user. Don't think you're important enough for me just to reply to you, I am hitting two birds with one stone so to speak. I mentioned UKIP because I was posting what I was thinking and was making it more comprehensible for others to understand.

The criticism you gave me is more relevant to you. I answered your questions you had nothing to reply with. Prison is a horrible place and not anywhere people choose to go to (bar a minority of prisoners who end up top dogs) and enjoy their reputation. Please stop believing everything you read and see and think outside the box, if that's not too much to ask.

[Inseriousity.]

where did i state that they were my friends? no, they actually arent tough and they dont pretend to be, one got arrested for fighting with a police officer, so no, they dont think they're bad. they didnt say they were the toughest. and they werent scared or frightened, just worried about stuff, but most of the stuff wasnt related to jail.

You said you "KNOW people", that could be friends, family and I just chose one? There wasn't really any big deal over that tbh. I was trying to make the point that just because some people say it's like a vacation doesn't actually mean it is. People do lie, after all.

[HotelUser]

Our prisons are supposed to reform people though. Whether they do or not is a whole new debate. By making them go insane will mean they leave prison being insane, more of a danger to the wider public.

Once again, you're forgetting they're stuck there all day, every day. You say it's a step up, yeah I bet they love having their freedom taken away and more than likely being targeted by other cons.

fab solution.

They're in prison for a reason, they committed a crime, and as result get and deserve privileges revoked. So yes, I'm going to say rotting of boredom in a cell for 7 years is a small price to pay for killing and taking the life of another person.

Because not having freedom and stuck in a building (regardless of the facilities) must be fab.

Again, you've completely over looked the fact that criminals commit crimes prior to being sentenced to prison.

[immense]

They're in prison for a reason, they committed a crime, and as result get and deserve privileges revoked. So yes, I'm going to say rotting of boredom in a cell for 7 years is a small price to pay for killing and taking the life of another person.



Again, you've completely over looked the fact that criminals commit crimes prior to being sentenced to prison.

So when their sentence is complete, they would have learned nothing and will hate their life to such an extent they'r more likely to re-offend. Anyway, between you you've gone around in a full circle and giving depleted ideas that I've already answered so my contribution to this thread is complete. I have given all my opinions! Whether you can acknowledge and accept them is something else entirely.

[kuzkasate]

You said you "KNOW people", that could be friends, family and I just chose one? There wasn't really any big deal over that tbh. I was trying to make the point that just because some people say it's like a vacation doesn't actually mean it is. People do lie, after all.

they are nor friends nor family. people i know. but people could also lie about prison being all hard and strict and say "yeh look at me im a badman, prisons so hard yo, but i survived init cos im bad"

[Hitman]

So when their sentence is complete, they would have learned nothing and will hate their life to such an extent they'r more likely to re-offend. Anyway, between you you've gone around in a full circle and giving depleted ideas that I've already answered so my contribution to this thread is complete. I have given all my opinions! Whether you can acknowledge and accept them is something else entirely.

On one hand we can let them stay in a tiny cell with nothing to do but think about their actions with the hope that they realise their mistake and don't do it again. That, or they become so bored of prison that when they finally do get out, they behave so they don't have to ever go back.

Or, on the other hand we can let them have nice cells that have comfy beds, TV, games consoles, special treats such as McDonalds, money to buy cigarettes, the gym and we can try and help them in rehab by teaching them new skills in the hope that they apply these to the real world. But, when they get out they might think "ah, **** this, it's hard work." and not bother. Crime pays better than a ****** job so who's to say that they will take onboard what they learnt?

If the police came and arrested me right now for something serious (which would result in jail time) I would not be immensely terrified. I would be worried and not want to go at all, but I'd go knowing it's not hell and I won't be bored or have to endure nasty food: afterall, there's TV, games consoles and other facilities. Biggest worries would be other prisoners and not having loads of freedom.

[Swastika]

My god you shouldn't be using a forum. Those explanations were corroborating my points that replied to you. If you read my post I took the three questions your reply was centred around and replied to them - you either missed this or are trying too hard to belittle me and have forgotten I directly addressed your post, more than can be said for yours to mine. I am replying to comments you posted more than you're replying to mine. Just to clarify it for you because you blatantly haven't read the entirety of the thread, vacation was a term used by another user. Don't think you're important enough for me just to reply to you, I am hitting two birds with one stone so to speak. I mentioned UKIP because I was posting what I was thinking and was making it more comprehensible for others to understand.

The criticism you gave me is more relevant to you. I answered your questions you had nothing to reply with. Prison is a horrible place and not anywhere people choose to go to (bar a minority of prisoners who end up top dogs) and enjoy their reputation. Please stop believing everything you read and see and think outside the box, if that's not too much to ask.

Ok, ill reply to you Sir Doherty.

First of all, don't insult my intelligence by telling me i shouldn't be using a forum when i clearly should as my points are valid, unlike yours to my post - maybe its you who needs to reconsider using a teenage forum*Removed* - i don't know.
Vacation indeed was a term used by another user, but not me. I asked you to answer MY questions and MINE only, not take terms or use other peoples posts to answer the questions i asked you.
I still don't see why you'd use UKIP in a thread about prisons? It has no relevance, like you.
Once again, will you quit with the "stop believing what you read" sentence, is that all you can say to users who are against your points of view? I haven't taken my points from the latest headlines from crappy newspapers thanks, I've based my opinions on what people have to told me, you know those real people who have actually been to prisons? You my friend, need to think outside the box - your believing that prisons are horrible,dirty and non-beneficial place to be, WRONG.
Prisons these days give you luxuries such as TV's, playstations/xbox's, boom boxes, comfortable beds, DVD's amongst other things, all at the taxpayers expense, you know these people that don't commit crimes and work hard for what they have?
British prisons are a joke and its very disturbing that you don't realise this - you ask anybody if they have faith in the legal system and they would say no.
Most people i know have said prison is a breeze and all they do is go to the gym when they're bored of wathcing TV or whatever. This is what my opinions are based on, real people, not some crappy newspaper from down the supermarket.

Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not rude to others.

[kuzkasate]

Ok, ill reply to you Sir Doherty.

First of all, don't insult my intelligence by telling me i shouldn't be using a forum when i clearly should as my points are valid, unlike yours to my post - maybe its you who needs to reconsider using a teenage forum because you clearly have the mind of a 5 year old, maybe HxF is too high of a standard for your braincells - i don't know.
Vacation indeed was a term used by another user, but not me. I asked you to answer MY questions and MINE only, not take terms or use other peoples posts to answer the questions i asked you.
I still don't see why you'd use UKIP in a thread about prisons? It has no relevance, like you.
Once again, will you quit with the "stop believing what you read" sentence, is that all you can say to users who are against your points of view? I haven't taken my points from the latest headlines from crappy newspapers thanks, I've based my opinions on what people have to told me, you know those real people who have actually been to prisons? You my friend, need to think outside the box - your believing that prisons are horrible,dirty and non-beneficial place to be, WRONG.
Prisons these days give you luxuries such as TV's, playstations/xbox's, boom boxes, comfortable beds, DVD's amongst other things, all at the taxpayers expense, you know these people that don't commit crimes and work hard for what they have?
British prisons are a joke and its very disturbing that you don't realise this - you ask anybody if they have faith in the legal system and they would say no.
Most people i know have said prison is a breeze and all they do is go to the gym when they're bored of wathcing TV or whatever. This is what my opinions are based on, real people, not some crappy newspaper from down the supermarket.

yep that was me. and that was the exact word that was used from people that came outa jail.

[Callum.]

I always imagined prison like Shawshank Redeption. Obviously I was far off.

[MrPinkPanther]

In my opinion it depends on the prison sentence. I see no need for Sky Sports or "Social channels" in prison but I personally think that if you are trying to rehabilitate someone then something like the BBC NEWS channel is a good thing. It helps the prisoners understand that there are significant repercussions to their actions and it isn't the only thing they have to do. Prison shouldn't be comfortable, of course not, but equally once someone is sent to prison I don't feel that it should mean their life is over. Who hasn't done something in the heat of the moment and then regretted it later, I know that I for one have.