Brazil

[JackBuddy]

As long as by bet comes through and North Korea score the most goals then I'll be happy regardless.

[StefanWolves]

Am I the only one who thinks that England's 11 are man for man the better squad of the two? :/

Think about it, Yeah their goalkeeper is better than any we have, their RB, yeah is better than ours, but CBs? King, Ferdinand and Terry are better than Lusaio and Lucio. We have the best LB in the world (as much as it pains me to say that), our two midfielders, match up to their, Lampard matches up to Kaka (Kaka hasn't had a good season at all, been injured, and Lampard is on TOP form), Gerrard is far better than their holding midfielder Silva. Brazil's Robinho isn't really anything to shout about, he's been piss poor (can't think of the other winger ), Lennon can definitely match up to their wingers on his day, and then comes the striker, Fabiano is not half player that Rooney is when both are in full form.

Their overall squad of 23 may be better, and have more strength in depth, but their first 11 is nothing IMO to be really scared of. Unlike in years gone by, e.g. Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka, etc. I can't believe that they didn't take Pato.

[JackBuddy]

Am I the only one who thinks that England's 11 are man for man the better squad of the two? :/

Think about it, Yeah their goalkeeper is better than any we have, their RB, yeah is better than ours, but CBs? King, Ferdinand and Terry are better than Lusaio and Lucio. We have the best LB in the world (as much as it pains me to say that), our two midfielders, match up to their, Lampard matches up to Kaka (Kaka hasn't had a good season at all, been injured, and Lampard is on TOP form), Gerrard is far better than their holding midfielder Silva. Brazil's Robinho isn't really anything to shout about, he's been piss poor (can't think of the other winger ), Lennon can definitely match up to their wingers on his day, and then comes the striker, Fabiano is not half player that Rooney is when both are in full form.

Their overall squad of 23 may be better, and have more strength in depth, but their first 11 is nothing IMO to be really scared of. Unlike in years gone by, e.g. Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka, etc. I can't believe that they didn't take Pato.

To an extent Brazil ride (and thrive) upon their reputation. England have a similar one to Spain a couple of years ago in the sense that both were/are massive underachievers who failed to show up on the big stage. Collectively, as a squad, only Spain narrowly beats us IMO. We've got a good bunch of youth and experience, and a squad with many players in their late 20's (which is when they should be at their peak).

[CHA!NGANG]

They aren't as good as other years by far no, but they work as a team very well and England don't which is going to be the main difference. Englands first XI on paper is very very strong but, that's only paper.

I'd say that Brazil and England both have the strongest defences imo, I don't see why Alves doesn't play LB. I'm sure he's adept enough to do so.

Gilberto Silva >>>>> Every player in the world

Kaka might be very fresh, or he might be holding onto his injury. Not sure. A fresh and in form Kaka > Gerrard or Lampard imo, especially with England but with Gerrard and Lampard together, it's better than the Brazilian midfield.

Robinho is a world class player when he's in a team that he wants to play in, and he wants to play with Brazil. It was the whole reason why he moved to Santos so I have no dobut he'll do fine for Brazil. I don't think that Lennon is better for England, than Robinho with Brazil.

Fabiano isn't as good as Rooney no.

I agree that on paper England have an equal side as Brazil probably, but they don't work as well together.

EDIT: I think that Spain have by far the strongest squad in the world and the strongest first XI too so I wouldn't say that they narrowly beat England. Argentina and France had the potential to have extreamly strong squads, better than Englands, but the managers messed that up for them. Germany always do well.

Holland have a very good team and have an attack force that's up there with Argentinas, probably a little worse but they're my favourites to win the WC.

Italy are past it imo, portugal don't work as a team.

[StefanWolves]

Everyone forgets the actual underachievers. Holland. Their squad is packed full of talent, okay their defence is well, inept, but apart from that they're a match for anyone.

[JackBuddy]

Lennon is strictly a wide man wheras Robinho is more inclined to playing more centrally and drifting inside (similarly to Joe Cole but further forward). I honestly think that Kaka is over-rated and is judged on a few good performances. Not saying he's a bad player, just not as good as everyone makes out.

[CHA!NGANG]

Lennon is strictly a wide man wheras Robinho is more inclined to playing more centrally and drifting inside (similarly to Joe Cole but further forward). I honestly think that Kaka is over-rated and is judged on a few good performances. Not saying he's a bad player, just not as good as everyone makes out.

I highly disagree with that. At AC Milan, he was an amazing player. He hasn't played well for Madrid but he's had injuries for a while which have only recently showed up for Madrid.

Most people think Lampard and Gerrard are extreamly overrated, I also disagree with that but if you're going to say Kaka is overrated, you might as well say Lampard and Gerrard are too.

And I mentioned Holland somewhere in there Got a few bets on them.

[StefanWolves]

I highly disagree with that. At AC Milan, he was an amazing player. He hasn't played well for Madrid but he's had injuries for a while which have only recently showed up for Madrid.

Most people think Lampard and Gerrard are extreamly overrated, I also disagree with that but if you're going to say Kaka is overrated, you might as well say Lampard and Gerrard are too.

And I mentioned Holland somewhere in there Got a few bets on them.

Gerrard, besides this year, the previous 6 years overall their is no doubt he has been one of the top 3 best players in the world (going by Club football), you cannot say the same about Kaka. Does Kaka even play well for Brazil? seen them play a few times on Sky Sports in the qualifying stages and never really heard his name mentioned.

[StefanWolves]

I highly disagree with that. At AC Milan, he was an amazing player. He hasn't played well for Madrid but he's had injuries for a while which have only recently showed up for Madrid.

Most people think Lampard and Gerrard are extreamly overrated, I also disagree with that but if you're going to say Kaka is overrated, you might as well say Lampard and Gerrard are too.

And I mentioned Holland somewhere in there Got a few bets on them.

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[CHA!NGANG]

Gerrard, besides this year, the previous 6 years overall their is no doubt he has been one of the top 3 best players in the world (going by Club football), you cannot say the same about Kaka. Does Kaka even play well for Brazil? seen them play a few times on Sky Sports in the qualifying stages and never really heard his name mentioned.

I rate Gerrard higher than Lampard and think that him and Kaka are two very different players. Gerrard has been a very good player constantly, but Kaka has stepped it up over recent years although Like I said, both two different years. Kaka over the last 3-4 years has been constantly one of the best players in the world, and considering he's 3-4 years younger than Gerrard, I think he'll have another 3 years of being top class so it's hard to compare them due to the ages and the different styles.

I think Kaka plays welll for Brazil but it's hard to see because apart from this year, he hasn't been the main man, there has always been bigger stars then him.