Shopkeepers' fury as EU prepares to ban selling eggs by the dozen

[Tintinnabulate]

Why do you totally ignore what i've written?

I have said I am not calling older people dumb, I am saying that due to them being older then they will not of have learnt metric in schools therefore are familiar with the imperial system rather than the metric system. Can you understand that clear difference? yeah? good. To add onto this, the issue isnt about the eggs in reality, its about the European Union dictating everything down to the smallest things to this country, and we cannot refuse to implement their crazy policies which aim to harm British culture and create a European identity which has never existed.

Yeah, and remember when I asked you to reply to my question 14 odd times and you kept saying you would?

Blame Sammeth. He had some mental breakdown and banned me, thus I lost your PM. If you recall, I did PM you again on my new account.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Blame Sammeth. He had some mental breakdown and banned me, thus I lost your PM. If you recall, I did PM you again on my new account.

I remember you actually promised me fourteeen times to answer the question, or rather I asked the question 14 times and you never replied. But enough of that, so i'll ask for this thread an important question; do you think it right that the unelected and unaccountable EU can decide British laws which erode our culture and traditions? do you value this country and its sovereignty? do you value democracy? do you value the nation state?

That is the question everybody needs to ask themselves next time they vote, its the most important issue in politics today and facing this country.

[alexxxxx]

Oh yes you have, you have said you want a federal Europe. You are an EU nationalist, yourself and those in the EU intend and wish to persue your ideals and beliefs and place them of the peoples of Europe. The difference between myself and yourself is quite clear and highlighted by my signature in which George Orwell states the difference between a patriot and a nationalist.
I wish for my country to survive, you wish for it to be abolished and absorbed by a foreign power.

I have never said that. And Europe isn't foreign - we're already in it.

The difference between these trade organisations and the European Union can be seen quite cleartly in the names, although I will accept that many are attempting to emulate the European Unino by moving into social, political and economic policy to build world government, which afterall is what our unelected President wants for us all. Trade blocs create friction, they create problems and they tramplae on sovereignty once they reach a certain point - but of course we know that the EU was never really intended as a trade bloc, it was intended as a federal and nationalistic project which Edward Heath eventually admitted to in later years.

trade blocs do cause friction yes, but unfortunately we'd be damaged if we weren't in one. We aren't big enough to do so.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3257748.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-election.html
http://www.globalbritain.org/BBC.asp(Lord Pearsons thinktank)
http://www.ashleymote.co.uk/?p=600

So the EU LOANED the BBC some money, which they are entitled to do so - a lot of this money was loaned to BBC Worldwide - a seperate entity of the BBC which is to make money for the BBC. This isn't funding. And the BBC in my opinion are impartial.

It was every 3 hours, so my apologies for getting that figure wrong. Although still alarmingly, its every 3 hours according to UKIP on their website and published results which can be found on this page; http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-n...eu-legislation

yeah only 60 times less. and numbers don't tell the whole story do they?

The Daily Mail is bias though, the BBC should not be bias as it is state owned - that is my point. Therefore the BBC is biased.

The BBC is not state owned.

[Tintinnabulate]

I remember you actually promised me fourteeen times to answer the question, or rather I asked the question 14 times and you never replied. But enough of that, so i'll ask for this thread an important question; do you think it right that the unelected and unaccountable EU can decide British laws which erode our culture and traditions? do you value this country and its sovereignty? do you value democracy? do you value the nation state?

That is the question everybody needs to ask themselves next time they vote, its the most important issue in politics today and facing this country.

You have to look at the greater picture which you fail to do. You think older people are dumb but they aren't. Changing the number of items in a packet to grams is doing very little harm (if any) and when the country benefits greatly from the EU, these little things don't matter.

I can guarantee, if Daily Mail suddenly started saying how great the EU is, how great Labour are etc, you would be saying the same thing. What you are is a sheep. A sheep of the Daily Mail. You read what they write and THEY form your opinion. No, you don't form your own opinions, they do it for you.

[alexxxxx]

even the mail has put it wont be banned

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...h-Britain.html

euromyth

[Tintinnabulate]

even the mail has put it wont be banned

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...h-Britain.html

euromyth

I guess Undertaker, this won't happen and those dumb old people will not cry in the shops.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I have never said that. And Europe isn't foreign - we're already in it.

The European Union is foreign, its based in Brussels and is made up of 27 member states.

trade blocs do cause friction yes, but unfortunately we'd be damaged if we weren't in one. We aren't big enough to do so.

We are big enough to be a sole trader, the United Kingdom is the 6th biggest trader in terms of GDP in the entire world - meaning well over 150 other countries are beneath us in terms of the size of their economies. You speak of euromyths, you have just pointed one out - the idea that we are some small petty island that needs the European Union is a euromyth.

So the EU LOANED the BBC some money, which they are entitled to do so - a lot of this money was loaned to BBC Worldwide - a seperate entity of the BBC which is to make money for the BBC. This isn't funding. And the BBC in my opinion are impartial.

The BBC recieves direct funding aswell ontop of loans such as the one I linked you to; http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...rtial-bbc.html - if somebody provides you with grants and loans, they are funding you with their money. The links from Global Britain are worth a read as the BBC is clearly biased in favour of the EU, I myself saw the example of the linking of the BNP and UKIP by a reporter a few months back despite the BNP having nothing to do with UKIP and their Buckingham meeting.

The BBC Worldwide service is a subsidiary of the BBC and therefore is not a seperate entity of the BBC, merely is a smaller part of the BBC in which its commercial activities take place. You are not pulling that one again anyway, much like with the EU and its insitutions - differing by name, same in aim and very closely linked. The BBC is funded by the European Union no matter how you attempt to word it.

yeah only 60 times less. and numbers don't tell the whole story do they?

I think numbers do tell a good story, especially when you have legislation arising from the EU on things like the correct curvature of a fruit or the definition of a pig (you know, the pink animal with the twirly tail that we have been farming for thousands of years).

The BBC is not state owned.

The BBC is state owned, all it takes is a quick look on wikipedia if you still doubt my words to see the ownership is 'publically owned' so please do not try and play games. The BBC is state owned/nationalised/publically owned/government owned - whatever way you prefer to word it, it falls under all of those.

You have to look at the greater picture which you fail to do. You think older people are dumb but they aren't. Changing the number of items in a packet to grams is doing very little harm (if any) and when the country benefits greatly from the EU, these little things don't matter.

Oh Saurav where have I said older people are dumb or stupid? I am getting the impression here that you cannot comprehend what i'm saying here which is pretty simple anyway, but it looks like i'll have to explain this really clearly for you now so here goes; older people didnt learn the metric system in school and many dont understand it because they were never taught it and have never used it before, therefore they are unfamiliar with the metric system as they have been using since before you were born.

The issue in itself isnt a little matter, the most important factor is that our sovereignty is being overruled. I shall ask again; do you or do you not value democracy and this countrys independence? should an unelected and foreign body have power over a 'sovereign' country?

I can guarantee, if Daily Mail suddenly started saying how great the EU is, how great Labour are etc, you would be saying the same thing. What you are is a sheep. A sheep of the Daily Mail. You read what they write and THEY form your opinion. No, you don't form your own opinions, they do it for you.

I disagree with the Mail on abortion.
I disagree with the Mail on the Conservative Party.
I disagree with the Mail when it calls for a cap on immigration.
I disagree with the Mail and some of its columnists on civil liberties concerning terrorism.

Enough of this paper rubbish now, I read the Mail because I agree with the paper. If I picked up a Guardian newspaper, would it then mean I automatically switch to what the Guardian thinks? - no it doesnt. It is amusing though seeing you accusing people of being sheep when you have never actually defended the Labour Party properly without blowing your top/negative repping me/resorting to newspaper attacks. Infact you struggle to answer the simplest of questions, like the time I asked you a question 14 times and you still didnt reply.

You are the sheep, so to prove me wrong tell me something good about the EU which outweighs all of the negatives and we'll have a nice little debate about it, how about it then? or will you ignore me? or will I end up having to ask you a question over 10 times again?

I guess Undertaker, this won't happen and those dumb old people will not cry in the shops.

You are the only one accusing older people of being stupid, nobody else in this thread has implied or stated that older people are dumb or stupid. I said they dont understand metric, but not understanding a measurement system they were never taught and have never used doesnt mean they are dumb.

[alexxxxx]

We are big enough to be a sole trader, the United Kingdom is the 6th biggest trader in terms of GDP in the entire world - meaning well over 150 other countries are beneath us in terms of the size of their economies. You speak of euromyths, you have just pointed one out - the idea that we are some small petty island that needs the European Union is a euromyth.

...and slipping. The EU is the biggest trading area and the USA second.

The BBC recieves direct funding aswell ontop of loans such as the one I linked you to; http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...rtial-bbc.html - if somebody provides you with grants and loans, they are funding you with their money. The links from Global Britain are worth a read as the BBC is clearly biased in favour of the EU, I myself saw the example of the linking of the BNP and UKIP by a reporter a few months back despite the BNP having nothing to do with UKIP and their Buckingham meeting.

Sounds OK to me. These grants have a purpose and the development boards will be very strict on their usage (my mum deals with EU funding in her job). The ITV could have done something similar and get the funding but they don't.

[Tintinnabulate]

The European Union is foreign, its based in Brussels and is made up of 27 member states.

We are big enough to be a sole trader, the United Kingdom is the 6th biggest trader in terms of GDP in the entire world - meaning well over 150 other countries are beneath us in terms of the size of their economies. You speak of euromyths, you have just pointed one out - the idea that we are some small petty island that needs the European Union is a euromyth.

The BBC recieves direct funding aswell ontop of loans such as the one I linked you to; http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...rtial-bbc.html - if somebody provides you with grants and loans, they are funding you with their money. The links from Global Britain are worth a read as the BBC is clearly biased in favour of the EU, I myself saw the example of the linking of the BNP and UKIP by a reporter a few months back despite the BNP having nothing to do with UKIP and their Buckingham meeting.

The BBC Worldwide service is a subsidiary of the BBC and therefore is not a seperate entity of the BBC, merely is a smaller part of the BBC in which its commercial activities take place. You are not pulling that one again anyway, much like with the EU and its insitutions - differing by name, same in aim and very closely linked. The BBC is funded by the European Union no matter how you attempt to word it.

I think numbers do tell a good story, especially when you have legislation arising from the EU on things like the correct curvature of a fruit or the definition of a pig (you know, the pink animal with the twirly tail that we have been farming for thousands of years).

The BBC is state owned, all it takes is a quick look on wikipedia if you still doubt my words to see the ownership is 'publically owned' so please do not try and play games. The BBC is state owned/nationalised/publically owned/government owned - whatever way you prefer to word it, it falls under all of those.



Oh Saurav where have I said older people are dumb or stupid? I am getting the impression here that you cannot comprehend what i'm saying here which is pretty simple anyway, but it looks like i'll have to explain this really clearly for you now so here goes; older people didnt learn the metric system in school and many dont understand it because they were never taught it and have never used it before, therefore they are unfamiliar with the metric system as they have been using since before you were born.

The issue in itself isnt a little matter, the most important factor is that our sovereignty is being overruled. I shall ask again; do you or do you not value democracy and this countrys independence? should an unelected and foreign body have power over a 'sovereign' country?

I disagree with the Mail on abortion.
I disagree with the Mail on the Conservative Party.
I disagree with the Mail when it calls for a cap on immigration.
I disagree with the Mail and some of its columnists on civil liberties concerning terrorism.

Enough of this paper rubbish now, I read the Mail because I agree with the paper. If I picked up a Guardian newspaper, would it then mean I automatically switch to what the Guardian thinks? - no it doesnt. It is amusing though seeing you accusing people of being sheep when you have never actually defended the Labour Party properly without blowing your top/negative repping me/resorting to newspaper attacks. Infact you struggle to answer the simplest of questions, like the time I asked you a question 14 times and you still didnt reply.

You are the sheep, so to prove me wrong tell me something good about the EU which outweighs all of the negatives and we'll have a nice little debate about it, how about it then? or will you ignore me? or will I end up having to ask you a question over 10 times again?



You are the only one accusing older people of being stupid, nobody else in this thread has implied or stated that older people are dumb or stupid. I said they dont understand metric, but not understanding a measurement system they were never taught and have never used doesnt mean they are dumb.

You said the change will confuse older people thus suggesting that they are dumb and won't be able to count to 6. They probably wont care even if it said 60000000000000g as long as there was 6 eggs in the box. Tell me, when you go to buy eggs, do you really look at the box to make sure it says "6 eggs"? Most people probably wont even notice the difference.

No I don't agree with everything Labour did / wanted. I have rarely ever repped you in debates / this forum as we all have our opinions. If I have then I apologise and I will PM brandon requesting him to remove it if you can let me know when I repped you. Someone else posted exactly what EU gives us, so there really is no point in me repeating it. Like I said, little changes doesn't matter when you look at the greater picture.

I have explained 6 times that Sammeth banned me the day after you linked me.

[FlyingJesus]

Gonna be totally honest you should really open the eggbox and check that none are broken before you buy them anyway so it's kinda redundant having any sort of count or weight displayed on them anyway and this entire boring argument has been pointless. I like eggs.