Prisons are super harsh & reform criminals!

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think most of you have missed the most important point completely.
We should be helping to stop people from committing crime in the first place, we need communities to join together and work together to fight crime.
We can't just rely on the morons we call the police or the government, because quite clearly they cannot stop crime, we need youth projects and REAL rehabilitation services to those who have become a victim of the times.
Think about it, what makes more sense, locking people up and letting them re-offend, or setting up projects and helping out deprived communities to stop crime at the first stage?
I'm from Middlesbrough, our crime record is high and we're a failing town to put it quite bluntly - set up projects and schemes for these teenagers and young adults falling victim to offending crimes.

The bad kids dont take any notice of them and more to the point, why should criminal youths be rewarded for their poor behaviour? bad areas where crime is rampant can be solved very easily just as Singapore did as it stems from unemployment. The idea Singapore had and carried out successfully was to 'zone off' certain areas and drastically lower corporations tax and business tax within them areas which brought investment and jobs to the area. If people have jobs and money, they care more for where they live and their homes/streets.

I dont buy this argument that people are forced into it because they live in a bad area, some people havent got two pennies to rub together and they dont turn to crime. If you commit a crime its your own choice at the end of the day (for the vast majority of crimes).

[Swastika]

The bad kids dont take any notice of them and more to the point, why should criminal youths be rewarded for their poor behaviour? bad areas where crime is rampant can be solved very easily just as Singapore did as it stems from unemployment. The idea Singapore had and carried out successfully was to 'zone off' certain areas and drastically lower corporations tax and business tax within them areas which brought investment and jobs to the area. If people have jobs and money, they care more for where they live and their homes/streets.

I dont buy this argument that people are forced into it because they live in a bad area, some people havent got two pennies to rub together and they dont turn to crime. If you commit a crime its your own choice at the end of the day (for the vast majority of crimes).

I'm not saying that youths should be rewarded for bad behaviour, im saying there should be something in place in the first place to stop young kids turning to crime. We all know most crimes in the local community stem from having no money and there being nothing to do, its a fact - something should be done to stop it. Start now and start with the next generation, the teenagers and young children on the streets who have nothing to do and see joyriding and drug dealing to be a normal thing to kill boredom and to get money.
At the end of the day, if there's no jobs in the area for young lads and lasses, and drugs are easily available - they're gunna sell it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm not saying that youths should be rewarded for bad behaviour, im saying there should be something in place in the first place to stop young kids turning to crime. We all know most crimes in the local community stem from having no money and there being nothing to do, its a fact - something should be done to stop it. Start now and start with the next generation, the teenagers and young children on the streets who have nothing to do and see joyriding and drug dealing to be a normal thing to kill boredom and to get money.
At the end of the day, if there's no jobs in the area for young lads and lasses, and drugs are easily available - they're gunna sell it.

After the war and before the modern day people didnt have a thing, especially kids - they didnt feel the need to smash up bus stops/attack people/form gang wars and all the rest. The excuse of 'theres nothing to do' is a poor one, often I have nothing to do yet I dont expect the taxpayer to pay for some entertainment for me to stop me turning to crime and violence.

[HotelUser]

After the war and before the modern day people didnt have a thing, especially kids - they didnt feel the need to smash up bus stops/attack people/form gang wars and all the rest. The excuse of 'theres nothing to do' is a poor one, often I have nothing to do yet I dont expect the taxpayer to pay for some entertainment for me to stop me turning to crime and violence.

Yes, and there was a time where we thought ideology of world conquest, and enslaving African people was okay too. I think that's just a little worse than smashing up a bus.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes, and there was a time where we thought ideology of world conquest, and enslaving African people was okay too. I think that's just a little worse than smashing up a bus.

..and that has to do with this thread what exactly?

Slavery and yobs on the streets, I dont see the comparison?

[HotelUser]

..and that has to do with this thread what exactly?

Slavery and yobs on the streets, I dont see the comparison?

You were saying when we had harsher punishments that there was less crime comparable to today. I am nullifying your example by showing that there was worse crime going on at the time.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You were saying when we had harsher punishments that there was less crime comparable to today. I am nullifying your example by showing that there was worse crime going on at the time.

You havent said anything of the sort, all you've done is say slavery was wrong and conquest was wrong - both have nothing to do with crime examples now and crime pre-1960 when the western world in general went soft on the issue such as the abolition of the death penalty, loss of respect for the police and so forth. I dont see the link here between world empire/slavery and British prisons in 2010, maybe you'll point it out for me.

[HotelUser]

You havent said anything of the sort, all you've done is say slavery was wrong and conquest was wrong - both have nothing to do with crime examples now and crime pre-1960 when the western world in general went soft on the issue such as the abolition of the death penalty, loss of respect for the police and so forth. I dont see the link here between world empire/slavery and British prisons in 2010, maybe you'll point it out for me.

Okay. Check out the 18th and 19th centuries.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Okay. Check out the 18th and 19th centuries.

You say there was worse crime going on then, well i'm afraid back then slavery wasnt a crime and its not even comparable to yobs in Britain nowadays.

[HotelUser]

Yeah so what has slavery got to do with crime on British estates now?

None of this is making any sense what so ever, theres not even a faint link.

When we were beheading people, locking them up for their lives, abusing people as punishments, yes there was less crime, but the system's design was significantly more corrupted, and the system had far too much power, not egging for our own sovereignty.

Locking someone up in a one roomed cell until the day they die will stop crime, but us having the power to do that and the means by which we do it is unjust, and gives governments an authority nobody should have.