Report Infraction Problems Thread ~ Should it be private?

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Nobody at Habbox gets preferential treatment and I'm sure if they did Management would have picked up on it, those who get a few infractions are entitled to their opinion here and maybe their opinion is important here as it's them it affects - afterall we are talking about members with either 0, 1, 2 or 3 infractions who are not staff, as those with 4+ infractions will have to appeal decisions via support.

Whilst everybody else's opinion is valued and wouldn't be discounted, those who are going to be affected must be taken into consideration, and it's hardly giving rule breakers a choice it's more about normal members - I'd say rule breakers are those who have masses of infractions who don't get a say here anyway 'cause they get banned by their infractions.

Sorry if my post came across the wrong way, I'm just tired.

I'll repeat I'm not bothered either way this goes, I think the suggestion is an extremely worthwhile suggestion and I will take all worthwhile suggestions properly - this is something which could be implemented if members want it.

In a personal stance from me it's easier to post a new thread rather than have to set up a whole new subforum with complex permissions.

Can you not just copy the perms from the Report Serious Abuse forum?

[Hecktix]

Can you not just copy the perms from the Report Serious Abuse forum?

ye but it's still more hassle than creating a thread (A)

[Nixt]

Having thought about this a bit more, I am more against it than for it, rather than being indifferent. A problem that we have with bans, where members can reply and reply over and over, is that a member (who's ban is totally fair) will continue to reply to the ticket and try different methods in an attempt for us to reverse the decision. It requires an unnecessary exertion on our part because a lot of the time that member is simply trolling the support system. I feel the same will happen if we introduce a subforum - members will repeatedly post and post, trying to get their infraction reversed one way or another. What will happen? We'll close the thread of course, but they'll either post again and get themselves into more trouble or we'll become the bad guys who close infraction appeals and ignore them completely.

The current system allows them to appeal but also allows us to respond quickly and firmly, stating our points with a finality that I do not believe a subforum will give us. If they are really serious about their infraction being unfair, making a support ticket does not require that much effort in the context of the fact they have an unfair infraction.

[Hecktix]

Having thought about this a bit more, I am more against it than for it, rather than being indifferent. A problem that we have with bans, where members can reply and reply over and over, is that a member (who's ban is totally fair) will continue to reply to the ticket and try different methods in an attempt for us to reverse the decision. It requires an unnecessary exertion on our part because a lot of the time that member is simply trolling the support system. I feel the same will happen if we introduce a subforum - members will repeatedly post and post, trying to get their infraction reversed one way or another. What will happen? We'll close the thread of course, but they'll either post again and get themselves into more trouble or we'll become the bad guys who close infraction appeals and ignore them completely.

The current system allows them to appeal but also allows us to respond quickly and firmly, stating our points with a finality that I do not believe a subforum will give us. If they are really serious about their infraction being unfair, making a support ticket does not require that much effort in the context of the fact they have an unfair infraction.

This is a very good point, however there could be some kind of rules in a subforum which prevent further discussion, like I said earlier something like the chance to reply twice then the thread gets closed and they get directed towards the support system.

Although this would just make it silly, as it'd be two very similar things, one of the things I like about the current system is that it is very final and most agree (or at least give up) after the red edit appears.

It does not bother me either way, a thread is fine - a sub forum would be fine - the only plus a subforum has on the thread is privacy, although I am more than happy to look at an infraction appeal via PM or the Support System if a user is genuinely uncomfortable with sharing this infraction in public so that kinda eradicates the need.

I like Josh's idea - it's something new although I think it could be a bit of fuss for nothing.

[Nixt]

This is a very good point, however there could be some kind of rules in a subforum which prevent further discussion, like I said earlier something like the chance to reply twice then the thread gets closed and they get directed towards the support system.

Although this would just make it silly, as it'd be two very similar things, one of the things I like about the current system is that it is very final and most agree (or at least give up) after the red edit appears.

Having stringent rules would do one of two things, really.
1) Result in members getting into more trouble than they already are.
2) Make it so similar to the thread it's a pointless system anyway.

It's entirely unnecessary I think.

[Hecktix]

Having stringent rules would do one of two things, really.
1) Result in members getting into more trouble than they already are.
2) Make it so similar to the thread it's a pointless system anyway.

It's entirely unnecessary I think.

Unless anyone can raise any other benefits I am inclined to agree - that's not saying this is a bad idea because it's not, it's merely the same as what we have now but could lead to further problems.

---------- Post added 12-07-2010 at 10:05 PM ----------

We'll try out a new thread and see how that goes, if any problems appear (there aren't any atm) then we'll change it some day.

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I didn't make this thread specifically asking for a private subforum, so i'm not too bothered if this doesn't get implemented. The point in this thread was to clear up a few things

I think it would be best that the current thread was updated in terms of removing the old appeals, changing the thread starter - ideally to Matt or Oli (as they are the most influential and suitable members of management I think) and to make it more clear as what to do if you wish to keep your appeal private and hidden from other members, for instance using the support system instead.

[Catzsy]

I didn't make this thread specifically asking for a private subforum, so i'm not too bothered if this doesn't get implemented. The point in this thread was to clear up a few things

I think it would be best that the current thread was updated in terms of removing the old appeals, changing the thread starter - ideally to Matt or Oli (as they are the most influential and suitable members of management I think) and to make it more clear as what to do if you wish to keep your appeal private and hidden from other members, for instance using the support system instead.

Agreed I have thought that for a long time. Lets see Oli as the thread starter and then the posts being regularly moved out. They always used to be.

[Hecktix]

All appeals older than 7 days will be removed from the thread when the new one is there

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Much better Oli