Burn-A-Koran Day to be held on anniversary of 9/11, tension mounts

[GommeInc]

Its important to remember that laws were not written before religion, in a way books like the Bible and Koran were the first written laws. As time went on laws were then written, when the laws were written most came from religious books as during that time many people believed in god and not science.

Damn you for putting it better

Saw this in the news...

Do these people just come out of the wood work? He maybe depending his freedom of speech, but what exactly will he get out of it? Nothing. We know that extremism is a hindrence. He just did it for attention, as there is no reason to do anything like this when it solves nothing and doesn't really open our eyes to anything new, other than people who love trolling/attention seeking :/

[HotelUser]

Its important to remember that laws were not written before religion, in a way books like the Bible and Koran were the first written laws. As time went on laws were then written, when the laws were written most came from religious books as during that time many people believed in god and not science.

You prove an excellent point which I wish to highlight here.

This is the número uno stance taken whilst arguing a pro biblical ideology. In its day the logic behind what was written in the bible was sound (even if the desires of its author to pursue their own advantage was not sound). That does not change the fact that today I could take most any religion's values and views and after a short period of time construct a list of things which most of today's society would consider morally and ethically wrong.

I'll pick on the Mormon faith here. Yesterday I was introduced to an online chatroom where one could speak to a Mormon missionary free of charge. The objective of the missionary was to convert you to their religion and they would pressure you into joining their church and to accept real life visits from missionaries to further increase chance of conversion. Mormon missionaries are usually young men and woman serving 18 to 24 month intervals far away from home without financial aid trying to convert others to their religion. Curious I went in their chat and was speaking to a male and female Mormon. It only took several minutes before we were discussing ethics surrounding various rules of the religion (gender roles and gay marriage). They attempted to make the gist of the conversation as sentiment as possible although they were extremely forceful and abrupt about forcing their views upon me--views which I concluded were incredibly stupid and which made me question the sanity and stability of a person who would engage in such missionary work.

To make a long story short yes you can justify ethically and morally wrong passages from the bible by defining their age, however I fail to see why the views of a church cannot be adapted and tailored to suit the modern times of the 21st century. There's a list an arm and a leg long of people who don't consider themselves atheist nor a part of any religion but find themselves believing on a god of sorts. I refuse to accept any sort of religion or faith which condemns gay marriage, gender equality or specific roles, sex before marriage, what I consider reasonably free will and of which requires me to give specific prayers at frequent intervals.

But unlike our over liberal pan-religious Koran burning group, I am not so aggressive nor vocal about what I think.

Especially when pastors should upheld a respectable position, in which they spread warmth and happy feelings. Not feelings of provocation.

Sometimes even old people need to grow up!

[Gibs960]

Why is he doing it anyway, this is going to make them more angry so they'll blow up another important American building.

[karter]

It's Obvious that the Victims' families came up to join the organization , for them , Burning of the koran has some sense

and anyways , crashing 2 Planes in some skyscrapers and crashing 1 other somewhere else didn't make point either? did it?

[[Jay]]

It's Obvious that the Victims' families came up to join the organization , for them , Burning of the koran has some sense

and anyways , crashing 2 Planes in some skyscrapers and crashing 1 other somewhere else didn't make point either? did it?

Erm no mate, considering many of the victims families have said that they dont blame the muslim religion but blame the terrorists, it wouldent make any sense.

[Mathew]

It's Obvious that the Victims' families came up to join the organization , for them , Burning of the koran has some sense

and anyways , crashing 2 Planes in some skyscrapers and crashing 1 other somewhere else didn't make point either? did it?

Are you being serious?... :rolleyes:

[Slowpoke]

I hate religion. The world would be much more peaceful without it in my opinion. However, I don't agree with what this guy is doing. I can't actually understand why he thinks it's a good idea - it inevitably could cause another terrorist attack. If one happened, how would he feel knowing that his pathetic protest caused the death of some of his fellow citizens? I bet he hasn't considered that. Sounds like an attention seeker in all honesty.

[-:Undertaker:-]

But unlike our over liberal pan-religious Koran burning group, I am not so aggressive nor vocal about what I think.

The point is that he is very vocal about his view and he is expressing it. I'd dispute the liberal point, it's more the libertarian faction in modern terms who are the defenders of freedom of speech and civil liberties - the liberal elite pretend to be in favour of freedom and democracy yet do everything that goes against that belief.

I hate religion. The world would be much more peaceful without it in my opinion. However, I don't agree with what this guy is doing. I can't actually understand why he thinks it's a good idea - it inevitably could cause another terrorist attack. If one happened, how would he feel knowing that his pathetic protest caused the death of some of his fellow citizens? I bet he hasn't considered that. Sounds like an attention seeker in all honesty.

If it leads to a terrorist attack then we should be even more resolute in defending our freedom - the threat of terrorism is over stated anyway hence why we are so afraid to upset everyone and everything nowadays.

[GommeInc]

If it leads to a terrorist attack then we should be even more resolute in defending our freedom - the threat of terrorism is over stated anyway hence why we are so afraid to upset everyone and everything nowadays.

Agreed, and it has an effect on both sides, with both feeling uncomfortable with each other. It's like when the IRA terrorised the UK. It took ages for the UK to get over the Irish threat

However, on a seperate note, I think stating religion as the cause of all wars (or most wars) is a bit farfetched. Some just seem personal, or a personal interpretation of a religion. Many consider the Iraq war a religious war, but I think it's just two idiots having some beef over another person for little to no reason, and then labelling it religious (glares at Bush and his braindead view on religion).

[Bun]

It's Obvious that the Victims' families came up to join the organization , for them , Burning of the koran has some sense

and anyways , crashing 2 Planes in some skyscrapers and crashing 1 other somewhere else didn't make point either? did it?

nope you're right. planning and seeing through the hijack of 4 american passenger aeroplanes, flying two into two of the most important buildings in the business world, one into the pentagon, and one very nearly into the white house/capitol building did NOT cause fear and terror through the western civilized world. it did NOT make america stop. bravo.