State of Management, Hiring, moderation etcetera

[Chippiewill]

Wikipedia?? According to you I might be fighting for the red army, but you sir are not allowed to operate on me if you're using Wikipedia as your source

Wikipedia by an independant study (I don't have the link right this second) was proven to be more reliable than the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Unless you fully understand the way it works (Which isn't just trololol I can edit every page) then you should probably give up on that.

So what is a jin?

He co-owns habbox and maintains the server e.t.c.

agree but there's no point complaining most of the time management will try twist something to make it look like they are correct

Rock solid argument = change

Edit: Also that particular Wiki article was properly referenced etcetera

[Richie]

So what is a jin?


I agree but there's no point complaining most of the time management will try twist something to make it look like they are correct

[Chippiewill]

I've been looking through the rules and I cannot really find fault with them, it seems that perhaps moderators are looking specifically for rule breaking and thus make the rules seem tighter. It is also possible that the moderator guidelines are poorly worded (Although I could not tell since I am not a moderator) perhaps they could also be revised as well as the rules? It does not appear that the rules are to blame but merely the interpretation of the rules.

Also, if not already, newer members should get off lighter than older members who are more knowledgeable of the rules.
And, if rules are ever changed perhaps a PM to all users may be useful, if I leave the forums for a few months and talking about Jin becomes a bannable offence I would like to be notified since I do like to reference Jin in every post .

[GommeInc]

f) Nvr should be put back on the throne, ok, perhaps that's just my weird fantasy, although, if I'm choosing then FlyingJesus, JewishBear and Mentor would be good also.

Mentor left ages ago because he couldn't take the lack of common sense and lack of respect for members. He was going to put in a bid for the forum so it can work on a real server and be updated ASAP if and when troubles arise, but I don't even think it went anywhere and was just an idea that wasn't shared with anyone on the forum. Besides, he's working on his site now and is happy enough to just use the forum that goes with it, which I'm dealing with

Anyway, back on topic... Did I die for a few months? I could of sworn things were improving :/ Did the rules get annoyingly updated when all that effort went in to tidy them up and remove the threatening wording?

[Chippiewill]

Mentor left ages ago because he couldn't take the lack of common sense and lack of respect for members. He was going to put in a bid for the forum so it can work on a real server and be updated ASAP if and when troubles arise, but I don't even think it went anywhere and was just an idea that wasn't shared with anyone on the forum. Besides, he's working on his site now and is happy enough to just use the forum that goes with it, which I'm dealing with

Rather ironically the rule he left over has now since been amended.

Anyway, back on topic... Did I die for a few months? I could of sworn things were improving :/ Did the rules get annoyingly updated when all that effort went in to tidy them up and remove the threatening wording?

It was progress, but not complete. There are some issues and as I've said, the interpretation is perhaps over the top.

[AgnesIO]

Mentor left ages ago because he couldn't take the lack of common sense and lack of respect for members. He was going to put in a bid for the forum so it can work on a real server and be updated ASAP if and when troubles arise, but I don't even think it went anywhere and was just an idea that wasn't shared with anyone on the forum. Besides, he's working on his site now and is happy enough to just use the forum that goes with it, which I'm dealing with

Anyway, back on topic... Did I die for a few months? I could of sworn things were improving :/ Did the rules get annoyingly updated when all that effort went in to tidy them up and remove the threatening wording?

No the rules didn't get stricter imo. Just users seem to forget everything older than one month, and never, ever, stop moaning.

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And jewishbear as manager? If you want someone to listen, so offence to jb, but he isn't who you want..

[Chippiewill]

No the rules didn't get stricter imo. Just users seem to forget everything older than one month, and never, ever, stop moaning.

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And jewishbear as manager? If you want someone to listen, so offence to jb, but he isn't who you want..

JB would be awesome, no nonsense!

One improvement to rules is not enough, we must strive to improve till the rules are great as the once were! Flawed with holes n' stuff! (Although I do enjoy a good moan)

[Tintinnabulate]

What we need a management who stop trying to make crappy things work when every member is against it.
What we need is relaxed rules and please dont say "well suggest changes then" as Garion has a copy of the changes I would make but am awaiting his reply.

You know its ridiculous when a fansite is stricter than the site its a fansite of.

Right now, they are enjoying the success of past management, that is all. Jin, it seems, fails to realise Habbox is no longer the best and needs attention.

[Agnostic Bear]

We do not ensure absolute control of everything. We regularly listen to, respond to and implement member feedback. Justify your points before you make them, sir.

Apparently you are unable to read or comprehend simple English, you accept feedback but still maintain a dictatorship. There is no voting on anything that you don't want to have voted on. If you want it you get it, there's no user input, it just happens. A prime example of guess what? A totalitarian dictatorship.

The users can't veto things they don't want, they don't get a vote for new features unless management explicitly says "we're not sure, you can decide for us". "BUT THAT'S NOT TOTALITARIAN!" oh wait. it is. It's just you're unwilling to see that at the end of the day that's what's happening.

A link to Wikipedia doesn't help anyone [Citation Needed]. At least properly reply to my original post on the matter:

A link to wikipedia directing you to exactly what you need to read to prove my point is very helpful and to the point. In case you hadn't noticed I've been going on a simplicity drive recently. I much prefer to project as much as possible with as little as possible.

As Chippiewill said, examples of what is wrong with it would be great. What could we do to improve the Management structure? Your post in the other thread didn't reference the structure directly, as far as I can see? Although I could be mistaken.

Ok hold on here we go strap yourself in:
1) 1 Global manager for the entire Habbox network. Has veto power over any top level stuff like general firing and such.
2) 3 Global managers for the individual habbox sites (HxF, Habbox, Habbox Radio or wahtever you're calling it). Not "Staff" or "Forum" just forum, radio, site. They have their own powers on their own sites but cannot interfere with other sites without the express permission of the global manager.

3) 1 assistant for each of the managers, no more than 1 ever. Any more creates problems when differences crop up between the assistants.

Various other folding down of power, a few heads of departments for various large things like staffers, moderation and what not.

As for the regular forum experience it should be like so:

VOTES ON EVERYTHING NON COSMETICAL
Most (if not all) things should be voted on, from new forums being created to reshuffles and hiring of managers. Nothing should be done behind closed doors, that just makes the users who didn't get a say and wanted one more pissed off.

Criticism:
Users should be allowed to fairly criticise whomsoever they please in public. It's their right to do so and by blocking said right all you do is enrage users and push your own reputations down the crapper (quite rightly, might i add) for ignoring their attempt to voice their opinion publicly.

There are various other small things like user notes and such but they're pretty much non-issues.

So yes, this forum is still a totalitarian dictatorship.

[Inseriousity.]

Your new management system is pretty much what we've already got.
1 General Manager (Global manager - whole of Habbox)
3 Assistant General Managers (Global manager - site, radio, forum).
1 Department Manager
1 Assistant Department Manager

Seniors ('Head of Department') for the bigger departments like HabboxLive.

The only slight difference is the role of the global managers. It's not site, radio and forum atm but community, content + staff. I think with the system you suggested the workload for each of the global managers wouldn't be as balanced as it is at the minute.