Do you consider yourself to be a class?

[flatface]

Negative view, or just aware of exploitation and false consciousness?

Same thing happens in the media where the "Middle classes" are addressed - it's interesting how people know whether it will apply to them or not. People need to form their own opinions on society and stray away from the sterotypes and generic opinions that so many people seem to follow.

In terms of Sociology the whole working class exploitation/oppression and false consciousness is a theory produced by Marx which is a negative view on the classing system opposed to functionalism.

[Richie]

yep im class


na but rlly im not too sure never rlly thought about it

[Pyroka]

I consider myself class.

Just class. I guess only the northern lot will get that, I dont think the southern scum say that.

EDIT: what the hell i posted after richie and he said the exact same thing

scammer

[Inseriousity.]

Oh wow, I sound so Marxist.

lol Welcome to Sociology
Shall we start the revolution

[flatface]

well even if that were true, he was differentiating between middle class and upper class, not middle class and lower class. obviously lower class would be stereotypically less educated, but im sure it's about even for upper class and middle class, seeing as how many rich people are mostly rich because they have had a fair bit of luck or are simply smart at a very specific aspect of their lives that they can translate to profit, but arent really smarter overall. the way i see it, you would be LESS likely to read if you were upper class since you would have much less desire to, since you could be doing anything else with your time and hordes of money. i just dont really get it, there's nothing stopping you from reading a book no matter what class you are, why would you be more likely to read if you have more options to do absolutely anything else?

Ah I misread the post slightly, but it opens up the debate on early childhood experiences and imitation of primary role models (such as parents). My opinion is that it's an everlasting loop, female child watches mother reading therefore deciding that's the correct thing to do and takes up reading herself and so on.

[Mathew]

In terms of Sociology the whole working class exploitation/oppression and false consciousness is a theory produced by Marx which is a negative view on the classing system opposed to functionalism.

Ah, opposed to the nice and colourful world of functionalism, then yes, it is negative

lol Welcome to Sociology
Shall we start the revolution

Haha. I'm really enjoying it; I wasn't sure whether I would at first but it makes you look at things in a different way.
Yes

[Caution]

I think some of ur evaluations are quite poor. My dad earns A fair bit above average but I don't go to private school and he's not a lawyer or anything. He's a high up manager.

IMO this is it:
Lower: minimum wage/benefits, council housing, old car ect.
Working: factory worker/lower paid city worker, small house/flat
Middle: average (£40,000) to 80-90,000, semi or detached house, nice car, lower manager/small successful business owner
Upper: high paid job (lawyer, politician, banker, successful entrepreneur), big house, £100,000+ expensive car, private school

Oh god, you sound so stuck up from that.
The chart on this website is the most accurate definition. I'm working class - one of my parents is C1 and the other is C2.

[Jordy]

lol some of you have some messed up views when it comes to classes. There was a similar debate when I created the thread about a year ago.

Working class is basically parents who are unskilled, low income or living off the state. Upper class is aristocracy and very few people are upper class as a result.

Therefore the vast majority of us are Middle Class, which is about right actually.

[AgnesIO]

According to you two, then I must be middle class. Detached house, BMW and I go to a Grammar School. My Mum works as a SENCO Officer and my Dad is in a profession. Yet according to Jen, we'd be considered working class, just like majority of everyone here. There are so many differing opinions and guidelines as to how one should decide their "class" - what happens when you only fit certain criteria?

My personal opinion is that of Jens. If your parents work, you're working class. These days, the Middle Class is a misted area in the middle of the two extremes; probably a class thought up by a teenager who didn't want to be considered poor by labelling themself as working.. :rolleyes:

I hope that last comment wasn't aimed at me?

Just because your parents work doesn't mean you are working class. Bill Gates works - does that make him working class? Some of my friends could probably be considered "upper class" but I wouldn't say I am at all. But I know my parents also earn a fair bit more than the majority of my friends parents (putting jobs in to perspective etcetera). Hence why I would class myself as middle class.

[buttons]

living off the state

they're not working class then? that'd be underclass. the system is different everywhere though. my mum is a nurse, teaching assistant and history teacher, she works as a home carer now though. my dad gets paid **** loads for cleaning rooms on the oilrigs. my mum is skilled, my dad isn't - he earns more. according to you, i'd be middle class? lol ok no. they work for other people like most people do = working class:S


it's not just about your job/education.. that's why most people who are UPPER class are born in to the titles - they don't earn them. house of commons and all that ****. upper class still rule us no matter how we look at it, we are just their puppets.


anyway i'm tired, probably make no sense, no-one is right/wrong and being middle/working class makes no difference. you can be working class and have plenty money.
we are still inferior and have no control over the upper class. that's why i am going to marry kim il jongs son


ps lol functionalism and marxism (although yeah i agree with marxism mostly) are old, unbalanced and only ever focused on white men (in b4 sexist jokes), times have changed no1curr


omg @above can't believe you used bill gates as an example, he once said he was working class but that was him trying to be all modest but failing