Habbox/HabboxLive/HabboxForum access for Site Coders

[xxMATTGxx]

OK The way I thought it worked was that Habbox Site Coders were pretty much like a helpdesk for any department to contact, yknwo like the GFX department, if you want something made then you go chat to them and they sort it for you.

But evidentally this is not the case, which is really a pile of **** way to do it.

Departments are allowed to request for stuff to be made which then gets passed onto the site coders, if they need any "access" to parts of the site because of it. For example: Habboxlive then they get access to that while the work is being carried out.

[Alkaz]

OK The way I thought it worked was that Habbox Site Coders were pretty much like a helpdesk for any department to contact, yknwo like the GFX department, if you want something made then you go chat to them and they sort it for you.

But evidentally this is not the case, which is really a pile of **** way to do it.

Compared to six months ago, site coders have literally 100% more power than they did back then. A lot of work has been done and what you said has been the case for a while now. Department managers can request site coders to do anything for them to do as long as it is needed for their department. The whole ''v6 scandal'' is right now, their main focus to get completed. Everyone thinks it will never materialise which is why we're trying to get it completed as soon as possible. In another thread the other day, it was mentioned that HabboxLive may me merged with the main site. Not only that, we've been working so that it will be easier in general for people to maintain and update the site in general, this includes permissions as well for site coders so that they become a much more valuable resource for Habbox. So currently, the permissions they have isn't a concern as we hope it will be different with v6 - which if we stop bombarding them with work to do will hopefully be completed sooner, rather than later.

[Pyroka]

Site coders are more than welcome to access the test forum if they are requiring anything like that, as I believe I posted in their forum once before. I don't believe they should be granted access to the live forum as development work should not be carried out on a live forum.

Although as matt's pointed out, our cPanel has gone funky

Wouldn't it make sense to give like... idk, how about giving one of them access to the live forum to help on bugs? And is the test forum like an exact duplicate of the live forum? I'm not 100% on the whole thing, I've never even heard of the test forum before haha.

[GoldenMerc]

Test forum is where they test things, such as new skins, new plugins etc.

[Blob]

Take this how you want to take it but this is as at least two out of the three site coders at the moment -

We code. Lots. But for what? One thing is recognition. We get little or no recognition for the work that we do (oh I've been put in an announcement.. twice I think? And that is after 10 months). I haven't even seen Robbie featured in one at all. No thanks - for the work we do other, if done on other fansites you would get a thread dedicated to thanking you or talking about how awesome the new feature is or how to improve it. But no, not here, the only thread you get is in the Congratulations thread where someone just posts a thread for every single new member of staff and people who reply do actually mean it and the others are just a "oh well done" or something.

We are locked down to one directory, https://habbox.com/scripts. Before that, an even smaller directory for the main rare values panel, https://habbox.com/scripts/rv. We aren't 10. We know what we are doing. If we get FTP to the Habbox public_html we aren't going to think "oh what is index.php I wonder what will happen if I suddenly type fladspofk0dsfjajea9r3'';'af in it". We aren't trusted at all which leads to problems. I needed to fix the new rare values tooltip script up so it didn't conflict with MooTools, but the other pages needed MooTools to function - I was given FTP to two directories to fix the problem. Which is pointless - if we need FTP access to a place and you are willing to give it to us - why not give us full access? That leads on to another thing.

You are wrong when it comes to department managers talking to us - they must talk to Alkaz first who sets it as a task (possible delay here) then we have to wait for someone to actually notice it over the Content Designers stuff we see for no real reason as we are not content designers (possible delay here). At all. We have our own subforum in Content Designers - why not on the index? If the coder needs some extra access or information, they have to ask someone else (possible delay here), where as if we had full access and department managers talked straight to us and we record what we do - no delays.

The reason why I also code for CH is because it is much nicer there. I am trusted with more access in a week than 10 months at Habbox. You get recognition there and the feel of actually doing something that the community want is great as you only have to talk to Ryan to get the go ahead and he is actually involved with the site, then you are left to your own accord. It is a complete contrast to Habbox - Habbox is too business like in the way it operates. Habbos are no longer looking for the professional fansite (to some extent) - they want to be closer to a welcoming community that is actually with the times of Habbo where it is more friendlier and relaxed - a complete contrast to Habbox, which is why Habbox is dying.

With our access to Habbox, we could delete the whole directory we have now and the site wouldn't function greatly. No "goodies" (even though they are miles out of date) - no rare values, and I'm sorry to say Dan and Dan, and as much as I love you both, is un-necessary and is just a pointless page. So what is the difference if we have full FTP? Nothing.

Take offense by that if you wish, call me selfish or whatever. But that is, the shock reality. Get with it.

I could go on about management n tings. I'll leave it for another post.

/rant

[Robbie]

Take this how you want to take it but this is as at least two out of the three site coders at the moment -

We code. Lots. But for what? One thing is recognition. We get little or no recognition for the work that we do (oh I've been put in an announcement.. twice I think? And that is after 10 months). I haven't even seen Robbie featured in one at all. No thanks - for the work we do other, if done on other fansites you would get a thread dedicated to thanking you or talking about how awesome the new feature is or how to improve it. But no, not here, the only thread you get is in the Congratulations thread where someone just posts a thread for every single new member of staff and people who reply do actually mean it and the others are just a "oh well done" or something.

We are locked down to one directory, https://habbox.com/scripts. Before that, an even smaller directory for the main rare values panel, https://habbox.com/scripts/rv. We aren't 10. We know what we are doing. If we get FTP to the Habbox public_html we aren't going to think "oh what is index.php I wonder what will happen if I suddenly type fladspofk0dsfjajea9r3'';'af in it". We aren't trusted at all which leads to problems. I needed to fix the new rare values tooltip script up so it didn't conflict with MooTools, but the other pages needed MooTools to function - I was given FTP to two directories to fix the problem. Which is pointless - if we need FTP access to a place and you are willing to give it to us - why not give us full access? That leads on to another thing.

You are wrong when it comes to department managers talking to us - they must talk to Alkaz first who sets it as a task (possible delay here) then we have to wait for someone to actually notice it over the Content Designers stuff we see for no real reason as we are not content designers (possible delay here). At all. We have our own subforum in Content Designers - why not on the index? If the coder needs some extra access or information, they have to ask someone else (possible delay here), where as if we had full access and department managers talked straight to us and we record what we do - no delays.

The reason why I also code for CH is because it is much nicer there. I am trusted with more access in a week than 10 months at Habbox. You get recognition there and the feel of actually doing something that the community want is great as you only have to talk to Ryan to get the go ahead and he is actually involved with the site, then you are left to your own accord. It is a complete contrast to Habbox - Habbox is too business like in the way it operates. Habbos are no longer looking for the professional fansite (to some extent) - they want to be closer to a welcoming community that is actually with the times of Habbo where it is more friendlier and relaxed - a complete contrast to Habbox, which is why Habbox is dying.

With our access to Habbox, we could delete the whole directory we have now and the site wouldn't function greatly. No "goodies" (even though they are miles out of date) - no rare values, and I'm sorry to say Dan and Dan, and as much as I love you both, is un-necessary and is just a pointless page. So what is the difference if we have full FTP? Nothing.

Take offense by that if you wish, call me selfish or whatever. But that is, the shock reality. Get with it.

I could go on about management n tings. I'll leave it for another post.

/rant

I have to agree on the recognition part. All the little (and big) things we do aren't really recongised by General Management (with the exception of Alkaz - who always thanks me a lot) but there's never any public thanks. People need to realise we do this for free in our own time, a little recognition every now and then wouldn't go amiss.

I was asked to code a full script by another member on this forum for quite a nice amount of money, but I turned it down. Why? Because I was busy coding something for Habbox at the time and wanted to remain dedicated. However it is becoming increasingly difficult as a coder to get things done. We're cast aside by management as like, not really staff, until they want something done. The amount of communication going on with regard to v6 is quite frankly worrying for me - and I wouldn't believe the hype - not much has been done to my knowledge (which isn't a lot because theres no comms)

Of course, Alkaz is great and he recognises everything I do and is real nice, but, the others, well...

[immense]

should both be fired tbh. public betrayal

[Blob]

should both be fired tbh. public betrayal

I'd more than happily be fired, as it would show staff members not being allowed to voice an opinion.

[Recursion]

should both be fired tbh. public betrayal

oh noez11!!1!11

[immense]

Being serious though, I respect you both do fabulous work for Habbox and really help on the technical side and kudos for that but could you not have PM'd your frustrations to Matt / Jin or posted them in the staff forums? I just think it looks bad on Habbox they way you have aired your dirty laundry in public! Maybe, I'm old fashioned. Not sure.