[Minecraft] Stuto's Server

[FlyingJesus]

Well, I guess you are right that all the extra features were for me and Dan only.

You only had access to TimeVote, AreaProtection*, Cuboid**, BlockLogger***, ImprovedTeleport****, UberAxe*****, FireFighter******, InventoryClearing*******, and the little commands (/clear, /worldtime and /fail)********.


*This was by request. But very few people bothered. Imagine if we gave everyone /protect and how much trouble it would cause.

** I personally used Cuboid more for others requesting it than my self. Maybe Dan did to. I have explained why it is not public below.

*** This can prove who placed the block and therefor get rid of the griefer.

**** This was finished about 4 days ago. But Dan never updated it. It solved the issue of being pushed off.

***** UberAxe was only removed intill Cuboid was updated (which had a higher requirement). This was also waiting for Dan.

****** The update would of allowed it to go to everyone. However even the current one has saved a fair amount.

******* This was included in the update. But a lot of you asked for me to clear your inventory for you manually.

******** Yes, these weren't needed. But they didn't exactly have a downside did they?

So let's reword this to what it actually means shall we?

You could change the time if you didn't like it being dark for a bit

Woooo thank the lord for Cecer


Also: SMP flying mod
Also: I didn't say we needed the extra tools, I said YOU didn't

[CECER1]

What you "reworded" changes a lot of the meaning.

My Version:
You can have your creation protected from direct modification.
Your Version:
Anyone can edit anything

My Version:
You can ask me or Dan to help you clear large areas in some cases. THIS HAPPENED A LOT!
Your Version:
You always had to change one block at a time.

My Version:
We could find who burnt down Creation A within seconds.
Your Version:
We spend hours collecting evidence, none of which is proves anything for sure. We risk banning the wrong person (which happened before BlockLogger) and more damage could be done.

My Version:
You would of been able to teleport to someone without knocking them off.
Your Version:
You might get knocked off when someone teleports to you because you wasn't holding shift. Tuff.

My Version:
You would of been able remove blocks quick and easily once again. The current version wasn't compatible with Cuboid so was disabled till the next update.
Your Version:
If you fill a room with obsidian by mistake then you have to spent 2 hours clearing it out.

My Version:
If you spill some lava in your wooden building you can just do do /ff (or shout FIRE) and run at it to put it out. Very easy and fast - no clean up required.
Your Version:
If you spill some lava in your wooden building you can make a hopeless attempt at flooding everything with water, dirt, sand, glass and what not. Then clear it all up afterwards.

My Version:
You can request your inventory to be cleared. Updates would of included the ability to remove all of a specific type from your inventory while leaving the rest as well as doing it your self.
Your Version:
You have to spent a fair bit of time chucking stuff in lava or over a cliff or something to get a decent amount of room in your inventory.
Either that or ask Dan (who needs to be online to ask) to delete your inventory (and saved position), then reconnect.


Also, I kind of did require some extra tools for testing updates.
Not to mention that with Dan only being on when he is totally free that a greifer can't be stopped.
And if Dan is trusting me to send him files that could (if I was as immature as 90% of the internet) totally ruining his computer, then why then why not give me stuff that would be useful. Considering I would of been able to give my self those powers if I wanted to anyway.


And finally:
Well that flyRidgeFly is not a mod, it is a plugin. That is what confused me.
And I already had it on my test list.

[FlyingJesus]

Protect clearly wasn't used all that much and had enough flaws for us to work out how to burn your ship even when it was protected. Not to mention that the only large-scale griefing was done simply as a way of showing our love for you, and wouldn't have occurred at all otherwise as when we were trusted which each other's stuff (ie: at the start) it was fine and everyone was happy.

Clearing areas is, or at least should be, just as much a task as building. One can hardly take as much pride in a landscaping job that took a few seconds to make an ugly square as they could if they'd made the area themselves.

BlockLogger is quite useful I'll agree, but isn't worth mentioning in this discussion as I'm on about the actual tools, not server maintenance add-ons.

The new teleport was never added so not a valid point, also not all that necessary.

Anyone who manages to accidentally fill a room with obsidian deserves the job of clearing it up. Enough to take 2 hours could never be done by accident unless you use cuboid, which as mentioned we never got. UberAxe is far more useful as a griefing tool (trust) than a building one.

Firefighter obviously didn't work all that well when hulahoop burned down the village, and when making wooden buildings you really ought to be careful with lava anyway. A neat tool perhaps (not that I ever saw it working very well) but not necessary.

If you really think that the only normal way to clear your inventory is to spam Q then you really need to explore the game a bit more. Maybe if you didn't have so many extra tools you'd learn how to do things manually.



As for the flying thing, if you already had it in your test list why were you trying to be smug saying it's client side only and won't work? Or to go from the other angle, if you really believe it wouldn't work why was it in your test list? You can't claim that it being a different type of addition really threw you off that much, surely

[CECER1]

Protect clearly wasn't used all that much and had enough flaws for us to work out how to burn your ship even when it was protected. Not to mention that the only large-scale griefing was done simply as a way of showing our love for you, and wouldn't have occurred at all otherwise as when we were trusted which each other's stuff (ie: at the start) it was fine and everyone was happy.

I said editing directly. Either way, it was still some protection.
And I didn't make Cuboid, I simply (tried to) update it when needed.
If a reasonable amount of protected space is given round an area you shouldn't be able touch what is inside easily at all.

Clearing areas is, or at least should be, just as much a task as building. One can hardly take as much pride in a landscaping job that took a few seconds to make an ugly square as they could if they'd made the area themselves.

Well, it was their choice to ask for me to do it with cuboid. Not mine or yours.
If they chose to have it cuboided then that is clearly what they want.
So how in anyway does what you think stop this from being something that every user CAN (NOT DOES) benefit from.
Not to mention cuboid can be used to import areas from a backup.

BlockLogger is quite useful I'll agree, but isn't worth mentioning in this discussion as I'm on about the actual tools, not server maintenance add-ons.

The players benefit from it so it counts.

The new teleport was never added so not a valid point, also not all that necessary.

It would of been updated if Dan would take a few minutes to replace files.

Anyone who manages to accidentally fill a room with obsidian deserves the job of clearing it up. Enough to take 2 hours could never be done by accident unless you use cuboid, which as mentioned we never got. UberAxe is far more useful as a griefing tool (trust) than a building one.

It was an example, maybe removing unwanted bricks would of been a better example.
And the reason it had a overuse limit was to limit greifing that could be done with it.

Firefighter obviously didn't work all that well when hulahoop burned down the village, and when making wooden buildings you really ought to be careful with lava anyway. A neat tool perhaps (not that I ever saw it working very well) but not necessary.

It saved the whole village at least once.
The current version worked fantastic on fire (not great on lava but the update would of sorted that).
It was one of the most effective and useful plugins I have seen.
Saying it is not needed is like saying that real fire fighters aren't needed.
Even real fire fighters are useless if they don't know it is on fire. Think about it.

If you really think that the only normal way to clear your inventory is to spam Q then you really need to explore the game a bit more. Maybe if you didn't have so many extra tools you'd learn how to do things manually.

I never said you had to spam Q.
Simply placing your inventory items outside the inventory window will throw the whole slot away.
But you still have to spend a fair bit of time doing so.
Who wants to spent time getting rid of what they don't want when they could be doing something creative?

As for the flying thing, if you already had it in your test list why were you trying to be smug saying it's client side only and won't work? Or to go from the other angle, if you really believe it wouldn't work why was it in your test list? You can't claim that it being a different type of addition really threw you off that much, surely

A mod modifies files.
The client side boat thing modifies the boat. The server cannot modify the client.
The server side flyRidgeFly uses the plugin system in Hey0. Nothing is modifed, just expanded.

Seeing as I had seen the boat replacement discussed before and the wording fitted the description of mod was correct, Not to mention I haven't seen flyRidgeFly discussed before, I feel this was a fair assumption to make.

Besides, the boat works by making it part of the game.
The plugin works by simply teleporting you very regularly.

So yes, I can quite fairly explain how I was mistaken.



So once again, you really haven't proved anything with that reply..

[Josh]

Wow **** happened when I was asleep. Can we keep the arguing to a minimum because Dan is going to actually pull the plug and not just threaten/warn us of it? I think most of us can agree Cecer is an issue and that's fine. There's just too much on the server and I liked it small and basic when we were all equal but obviously that's changed and that's why I don't go on the server much.

[Firehorse]

Ok, flying is now enabled. To fly spawn a feather, right click to enable and hold down left mouse to take jumps in that direction. Pointing straight down will give a vertical boost. Right click the feather on a block after your flight to disable flying.

[Verrou]

Why are you guys arguing o_O The server is awesome and I have a good time on it?

EDIT: Wooooaah the server has muffed up big time :/ Whole chunks have shifted sideways :/

[FlyingJesus]

So how in anyway does what you think stop this from being something that every user CAN (NOT DOES) benefit from.

Are you deliberately not reading what I'm saying or are you actually just that stupid? As I've said again and again, these things are not necessary

The players benefit from it so it counts.

Well no it doesn't because like I said it's not a game tool... which is kinda what this discussion's been about

Saying it is not needed is like saying that real fire fighters aren't needed.
Even real fire fighters are useless if they don't know it is on fire. Think about it.

Wow. Really? You equate the skilled and stressful job of a real life firefighter who saves lives daily to a Minecraft tool for stopping flames (which can be done by clicking on them anyway)? Not sure why you're on about not seeing the fire btw considering my example was chunkerchop spilling lava everywhere which was clearly seen by plenty of people including himself

I never said you had to spam Q.
Simply placing your inventory items outside the inventory window will throw the whole slot away.
But you still have to spend a fair bit of time doing so.
Who wants to spent time getting rid of what they don't want when they could be doing something creative?

God forbid someone has to take 20 seconds to do a job when we could be busy crashing the server

A mod modifies files.
The client side boat thing modifies the boat. The server cannot modify the client.
The server side flyRidgeFly uses the plugin system in Hey0. Nothing is modifed, just expanded.

Seeing as I had seen the boat replacement discussed before and the wording fitted the description of mod was correct, Not to mention I haven't seen flyRidgeFly discussed before, I feel this was a fair assumption to make.

Besides, the boat works by making it part of the game.
The plugin works by simply teleporting you very regularly.

So yes, I can quite fairly explain how I was mistaken

I would seriously worry about my brain capacity if I had to focus so meticulously on such distinctions before being able to work out a very simple answer and instead would claim something can't be done knowing full well that it can

I think most of us can agree Cecer is an issue

lol

Dan, congrats on getting flying up and running (or up and floating as it may be), I could have sworn it was only posted about last night but Cecer said you take days and weeks to make any updates and we all know Cecer's always right so I must be mistaken in thinking that you got it going quickly

[Verrou]

Quit hating -.-

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*REMOVED*

And the server is rly ****** or something :/ It's reverted to a few days ago or something :SSSSS

Edited by eSocks (Forum Moderator): Please do not post images which contain filtered words, or may be seen as rude by others.

[FlyingJesus]

If you mean a load of stuff's gone that's because it all got burned down