LimeWire Shuts Down After Losing Court Battle With The RIAA

[HotelUser]

Movie piracy causes a total lost output for US industries of $20.5 billion per year, thwarts the creation of about 140,000 jobs and accounts for more than $800 million in lost tax revenue.

There's nothing we can do to stop this. I don't know how big an impact it has on the media industry and to the extent at which it hurts it however it's beyond stopping.

In the future we wont even be paying for cable service anymore. We're going to be paying for just data. Services like Netflix, Apple TV and whatever the heck's running on Google TV are taking over. Youtube and video streaming services alike are going to dominate-- they already are. If anything's hurting the future of the entertainment industry as it is today it's that the end user is being allocated with more freedoms than big companies want to allow for.

We're looking at a setup where revenues are gained through advertising, paying for the actual distribution, which will essentially become digital streaming will be a fraction of the profits earned. I think this is an inevitable fait but a fait which shall be achieved regardless of modern day pirating.

[Chippiewill]

LMAO chill babes. and if you insist thats the case (which it isnt) then thats still a big bummer for the industry because the point of singles is to promote the album, which is where the big money comes in for the label.

The fact is you haven't backed up your case. Also your new point is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with piracy.

my point is that someone said that musicians get far more money for working much less than the "average guy". if they are taking a break and not on tour or doing anything, where are they getting their money from? no where ... but when they are working for their money (by touring) - thats much harder work than sitting in an office

Sure, it might be more strenuous, but they only have to tour for 10% of the time and 'average guy' has to work with only six weeks of time off per year.

Edited by HotelUser (Forum Moderator): Accidental double post merged due to forum lag.

[Judas]

The fact is you haven't backed up your case. Also your new point is irrelevant as it has nothing to do with piracy.


Sure, it might be more strenuous, but they only have to tour for 10% of the time and 'average guy' has to work with only six weeks of time off per year.

what is my new point exactly?

and theres no might about it, its absolutely more strenuous. you cant put a statistic on it because some tour more than others. my point is that touring musicians work harder for their money than the 'average guy'.

[Oleh]

Movie piracy causes a total lost output for US industries of $20.5 billion per year, thwarts the creation of about 140,000 jobs and accounts for more than $800 million in lost tax revenue.

i agree with everything you have said but id just like to chip in and say.. It isnt lost if it isnt there.

Maybe the firms losing out on money should perhaps buy say... ISP's and increase prices to account for these losses?

[Chippiewill]

what is my new point exactly?

then thats still a big bummer for the industry because the point of singles is to promote the album, which is where the big money comes in for the label.

Above is irrelevant if you look at it.

my point is that touring musicians work harder for their money than the 'average guy'.

They also get paid more?

[ChickenFaces]

Aww that sucks but there's other ways to get music for free and people will find them. Not really going to stop anyone from downloading illegally

[Misawa]

I'm fully aware that piracy can't effectively be stopped. It just sickens me.

These days movies are in cinemas for extended periods of time and get a home video release quicker than ever, and the gap is closing still. Look at what Disney did with Alice in Wonderland. You can also download legally on demand these days.

There truly is no legitimate excuse for piracy. People assume everybody in these industries are filthy rich and that is completely not the case. What if Paranormal Activity didn't make over $100 at the box office? Writer/director Oren Peli made $6,000,000 out of that and he got a bum percentages deal because he signed into it with eagerness, like you would, and Paramount took advantage of him. They never even expected the film to do as well as it did and he ended up taking a big amount of cash, but look at the comparison to what the studio got. But what about those who pirated the film before it was even a success? They were spiting money going into the pockets of a man who had made his own movie completely by himself, with just three actors, in his own house, for just $15,000. The film took two years to get distribution.

My point is that not everyone in the industry is Tom Cruise. Independent films are getting the best exposure they have in years and yet people are pirating indie movies. People say they love film, yet they steal from it? What if I told you about some independent film that completely blew me away and was made on a shoestring and has an ultra-small distribution deal? Would you still steal it and not support the film-makers? It's theft. It costs money to make a film which is why you pay to see them. It's a business. Life isn't free and if it was there wouldn't be any movies. If you love film, support it, don't steal. It's exactly the same as shoplifting. You may think you're doing no harm, and there are countless others who think the same thing. Next thing you know and people are costing one single film millions upon millions of dollars.

No one can defend piracy. There is no defense for it. Would you defend stealing a woman's purse in the street or pickpocketing someone's wallet on the London Underground? And anyone who tries to prove me wrong is most likely too ignorant living in that bubble of theirs to even bother comprehending how the world works. It's life.

[Chippiewill]

-wall of text repeating himself 20 times-

No. I've. Already. Pointed. Out. Why. This. Isn't. True.

Edited by HotelUser (Forum Moderator): Accidental double post merged due to forum lag.

[Misawa]

No. I've. Already. Pointed. Out. Why. This. Isn't. True.

You have no idea. None. You will come out with zero in a discussion with me about entertainment piracy. I have all the facts, I work in the industry. I know EXACTLY what piracy does, and you don't. I'm the film-maker who knows the financial stress of and on movies. And I'm the journalist who writes the articles on piracy that you read.

[Judas]

Above is irrelevant if you look at it.

well it isnt because if the majority of the income for the label comes from album sales and album sales are absolutely plummeting = less money for the label. forget about the artists for a second, its not only affecting them. piracy is getting worse and worse and just imagine if sometime in the future that everybody stopped buying music and just downloaded it. none of the people that are involved in creating the albums would have any money therefore there would be nothing more released.

They also get paid more?

cos they work harder