Prisoners to get the vote as spineless Cameron kowtows to Europe's demands

[Chippiewill]

In terms of abortion, i'm afraid like it or not - that baby is alive. It is a person.

Not till it's heart starts beating..

[GommeInc]

Yes. We live in a world of ever growing danger. We should rid those who pose a threat.

Pfft, most people who pose a real threat end up turning the gun on themselves anyway, so this doesn't seem that valid. Besides, legal-state murder would lead to a very dull and fearful world and I certainly wouldn't want to live in a world where even the state thinks murder is awesome. They never really justify it anyway "You shoot people, we go shoot you too now". Urgh.

Not till it's heart starts beating..

They say that, but it's still a person whether or not the heart is or isn't beating It just isn't a fully functioning person. Like not callin a car a "car" because it hasn't got an engine yet. It's all hypothetical really.

[Chippiewill]

It's not alive till its heart starts beating.

[GommeInc]

It's not alive till its heart starts beating.

That's debateable though. Some say the fact it's growing makes it a person, or the fact it's the egg of a person makes it a person, or when it's brain starts showing signs of activity makes it a person, or your view, that when the heart starts beating makes it a person. Some have their arguments like the case of siamese twins, is one of them not a person in their own right because they share a heart, a brain or another body?

[Chippiewill]

That's debateable though. Some say the fact it's growing makes it a person, or the fact it's the egg of a person makes it a person, or when it's brain starts showing signs of activity makes it a person, or your view, that when the heart starts beating makes it a person. Some have their arguments like the case of siamese twins, is one of them not a person in their own right because they share a heart, a brain or another body?

You missed my point, I didn't say it's not a person until its hearts beats, it's not ALIVE till its heart beats.

[Nixt]

You missed my point, I didn't say it's not a person until its hearts beats, it's not ALIVE till its heart beats.

That's about 5/6/7 weeks. Prior to that point, most people aren't even aware they are pregnant. I'm assuming on that basis you are against abortion altogether?

[Conservative,]

I think you guys aren't looking at it logically. Of course each case will be scrutinized to the deepest degree, assessed, re-assessed and looked over several times before death sentence is passed. But if someone is clearly a threat to the lives of others, they shouldn't be on this planet. Murderers, rapists, drug dealers & terrorists are those that in my ideal world, would be getting the death sentence.

And it is justified by if you take a life of another (literally or metaphorically. Literally being killed someone, metaphorically being ruining it via drugs or rape) then why should you have yours? An eye for an eye is the best way for these crimes. Not ALL crimes, but these crimes. I think petty thieves should get jail sentences and have to re-pay everything.

I also hate the idea of abortion except in cases of rape or extreme danger to the mother, and euthanasia unless they are clearly in severe pain.

[GommeInc]

You missed my point, I didn't say it's not a person until its hearts beats, it's not ALIVE till its heart beats.

Same difference Some may believe the baby is alive before the heart starts beating - it's just dependent on the mother or "carrier".

And all this "not safe to live" nonsense is infuriating. I'd still rather live in a world where we don't justify murder of any kind. If anything, murderers are less likely to re-offend, even when they do make it to the end of their "life" sentence. It's very rare for a murderer to keep on killing till their heart is content.

[Chippiewill]

Same difference Some may believe the baby is alive before the heart starts beating - it's just dependent on the mother or "carrier".

That's like saying a a tumor is alive.

And all this "not safe to live" nonsense is infuriating. I'd still rather live in a world where we don't justify murder of any kind. If anything, murderers are less likely to re-offend, even when they do make it to the end of their "life" sentence. It's very rare for a murderer to keep on killing till their heart is content.

Say you were bipolar and you had no control over your emotions, you believe that if you killed a person when you were not able to control yourself then you deserve to die?

[immense]

murder and abortion aren't comparable. fascist.