10.11.10 - Demolition.

[dbgtz]

In all fairness, you're not in a debt where you have to pay it no matter what, you have to be in a job which pays so and so much a year, so it's still an alright deal. But I think people dislike it, or one of the reasons they do, is because money is wasted elsewhere which people do not even want and yet something which people do want is being removed.

[GommeInc]

Meh, it was bound to happen and we pay alot less than other countries. If it becomes a chore, we could always do what Americans do and just get part-time jobs, which alot of British students currently do anyway, it's just no-one has caught on

[Hecktix]

I'll be there, I agree with rises of tuition fees (afterall costs need to be cut) but the fact that most universities will be trebling their fees is unacceptable.

[MrPinkPanther]

I'll be there, I agree with rises of tuition fees (afterall costs need to be cut)

Why? Why do they need to be cut? The current deficit in University education stood at a mere £4 Billion over a period of 4 years, relatively little considering the NHS budget will cost over 100 times that in the same period. The UK has one of the leading University sectors in the world, in fact judging by the QS World University rankings, 4 of the top 10 Universities are from the United Kingdom including the number one spot. Not bad considering our size. Lets ask ourselves why. We have the best Universities in Europe and so we attract the best European undergraduates. In my group of 5 close friends only one of them is English other than myself, sounds bad right? Well not when you consider that every one of them wants to stay in the UK. All of them are high achievers and are honestly some of the most academic people that you could ever meet and all of them will be contributing to our economy in the future. Now, because they are in the EU they pay the same fees as us, would they be here if they were 3 times as high? Not likely, in fact I know several people said they would have applied to the US if it weren't so expensive, with all of the grants that you get over there the price difference isn't actually that great after a tuition fee rise here, in many cases it would even be cheaper to study over there. On top of this as I quoted earlier, it's estimated that for every £1 you put into Universities you get £2.80 back, theres a reason for that. Higher Education is an invaluable resource because it literally provides the future of Britain, lets not put that at risk over a mere £1 Billion a year shall we?

[Moh]

The raise in tuition fees will also affect peoples living. A lot of people go to universities out of town to be more independent, makes you the person you are when you leave uni. I was going to go to a uni out of town, but with the new tuition fees I'm thinking of living at home where the cost will be a lot less. So not only will we have less uneducated people, we'll also have less independent people.

They also raised the budget for international development.. to help other countries with medical and education, would it not be best to educate people in the UK who can move abroad to help developing countries, like some sort of contact - government pay for your education if you agree to do a year or two helping developing countries

[ifuseekamy]

They'd save money if they closed all the crap universities and stopped letting them run useless courses. If they go ahead with it, well look at the brightside: you pay back a small percentage of every £1000 you earn over the threshold of £21,000 income after graduating. It's not America where your parents either start saving up from conception or you have to be smart enough to get a scholarship.

[immense]

hahahaha

1.51pm:

Paul Lewis is also outside the Conservatives Millbank HQ, where workers have been evacuated after 200 protesters gained entry. Police have "batons raised" in an attempt to clear the building, Paul says:


Police have just stormed the building with batons in what looks like an attempt to clear the area, however the attempt failed. Some batons were used to strike out at protesters inside, but police have left the protesters inside and instead formed a line in front of the entrance to the building.

We have a stand off.

Office workers have been evacuated from the building, after a warning message was sounded out inside. They are now sitting on grass opposite.

1.37pm:

Some protesters have broken into the Conservative party's Millbank headquarters, our man on the ground Matthew Taylor says:

I'm at 30 Millbank, the Tory HQ, and there's around 200 people inside Tory HQ, with several thousand outside.

Protesters are shouting: "Nick Clegg, we know you, you're a ******* Tory too."

Police are pushing through as we speak, there's a lot of jostling going on.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The usual rent-a-mob are out in force today, just like we had under Thatcher.

To Jake though, you might find this interesting (or you may choose to bury your head in the sand as many on here usually do).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...s-evolved.html

2001 Labour is re-elected with a manifesto pledge that it "will not introduce top-up fees and has legislated against them".

2002 More than 80 Labour backbenchers support calls to scrap tuition fees.

2003 Less than two years after pledging not to introduce top-up fees, Labour publishes a white paper setting out proposals to allow universities to set their own tuition fees up to a cap of £3,000 a year. The fees will be repaid once graduates earn above £15,000 and will be accompanied by a means-tested package of support.

Today we can all see tribal politics at its worse, had the Labour Party been in the same position now then I can gurantee you would not have the same reaction (see above again concerning the rent-a-mob). All three main parties have lied, so before you all run off back to the Labour Party - pull your head out of the sand and realise that they are exactly the same.

[immense]

you missed out the fact that university numbers increased considerably, with the working class still going. that will be impossible now. better thread in spam with updates about this anyway. to compare what happened then is bizarre. most of the hatred is towards nick clegg and the lib dems - it didn't take them two years - 6 months. it's disgusting. they're just like ukip, saying things to get voted and then not following them through. load of ****.

[-:Undertaker:-]

..and thats part of the problem, there are too many people going to univesity with too many mickey mouse courses being run. That aside though, address my point - Labour have lied on this issue aswell, so why Jake are they [Labour] any better than the current coalition government?