Student vandals turn second university fees protest violent

[Conservative,]

I read the first page so sorry if I'm going over points people have said but I'm too lazy/tired to read the other 2 pages...

Anyway - in my opinion - this is NOT a Lib Dem Government. This is NOT a Tory Government. It is a COALITION. Both sides have had to scrap big promises they made.

If you were dumb enough to vote for them for the soul reason they promised free/lower tuition fees - how stupid are you? It's not feasible, it's not practical, and even if Lib Dems got in, it wouldn't have been voted through.

As far as I'm concerned - these people kicking up a fuss need to get their heads down and be quiet. Then at least the public will have sympathy. If you go around smashing cars, windows and generally acting like the public already perceives them to be, they will NOT support your cause. These students need to show that they are intelligent, diligent people who genuinely care about their education - not mindless hooligans who are out to cause chaos.

So as I said - both sides have had to make back-tracks, and this in my opinion is minor. It would never have been practical anyway and as I said, if you voted solely for this part of their plans you're stupid because voting due to one idea is like voting for the school councillor because he gave you free sweets. It may seem good while it lasts but as soon as it's finished you'll be disappointed and want your vote back.

[Stihl]

I read the first page so sorry if I'm going over points people have said but I'm too lazy/tired to read the other 2 pages...

what are the tuition fee's now? just out of curiosity? and what were they before?

[Moh]

I read the first page so sorry if I'm going over points people have said but I'm too lazy/tired to read the other 2 pages...

what are the tuition fee's now? just out of curiosity? and what were they before?

The cap is raising from £3,000 to £9,000.

Most universities won't even charge that much anyways.

[FlyingJesus]

Currently around £3.3k a year, going up to a maximum of £9k a year after 2012. Most places will however have a cap of about £6k as to go higher requires special grants and such which people seem unable to read all of a sudden, and the loan paybacks are having dramatic changes made to make it easier, so really it isn't affecting people that badly after all but people love to protest, especially our degenerate generation

[Conservative,]

I read the first page so sorry if I'm going over points people have said but I'm too lazy/tired to read the other 2 pages...

what are the tuition fee's now? just out of curiosity? and what were they before?

They're rising to a MAXIMUM of £9,000 a year (but the University has to offer schemes such as scolarships and pay packages to the poorer students), from £3,000, but most Uni's will not charge more than £6,000.

And currently you have to be earning £15k a year to pay back (I think), they're raising that to £21k.

[Neversoft]

In reply to that lovely rep you left me R0BB13G, you seem to have completely misunderstood what I said. Where in my post did I say Clegg and his party were in charge? No where. I stated Clegg should've known full well the consequences of going back on his word because he is the one who signed the pledge. Cameron didn't sign it, no one else made any promises concerning tuition fees, Clegg did. And let me ask you if it is so unrealistic then why did Clegg commit to it? He himself said that at the time he thought he could have put it into practice. Yes, it is a coalition, yes, things have to be sacrificed, but people have every right to be angry at Clegg for going back on his word. Of course it is going to be minor in your opinion, you're still in school. Come back in four years when tuition fees actually affect you. Oh and in case you're under some kind of assumption that I voted for the Lib Dems because of the tuition fee promise, you couldn't be more wrong. I voted UKIP.

[Stihl]

that is rather expensive, but it seems kinda normal to have a $18,000 (9k pounds) UNI fee over here? or so i've heard. I havnt really looked at anything to do with university's yet, only looked at colleges so far

[Conservative,]

In reply to that lovely rep you left me R0BB13G, you seem to have completed misunderstood what I said. Where in my post did I say Clegg and his party were in charge? No where. I stated Clegg should've known full well the consequences of going back on his word because he is the one who signed the pledge. Cameron didn't sign it, no one else made any promises concerning tuition fees, Clegg did. And let me ask you if it is so unrealistic then why did Clegg commit to it? He himself said that at the time he thought he could have put it into practice. Yes, it is a coalition, yes, things have to be sacrificed, but people have every right to be angry at Clegg for going back on his word. Of course it is going to be minor in your opinion, you're still in school. Come back in four years when tuition fees actually affect you. Oh and in case you're under some kind of assumption that I voted for the Lib Dems because of the tuition fee promise, you couldn't be more wrong. I voted UKIP.

I never said you voted Lib Dem, I said people who did for the sole reason of Uni fees going down/not going up are stupid because if they did their sums...how could we possibly afford it? Labour bankrupted the country, spending MORE money on higher education won't get us anywhere.

And yes, he made the pledge, fair enough, but pledges are thrown out the window when a coalition Government comes in. They are not working as Lib Dems, and it was a Lib Dem pledge. They are working in a coalition, and it is not a feasible pledge therefore it is going to get the cut.

No matter whether Clegg went in with Labour, Tories or somehow won the election - he would've realised that this wouldn't work. People need to be realistic and actually start reading, working out their own calculations than listen to the student unions who just want cheap tuition.

And actually I am thinking about tuition fees. I go to Uni in 4 years - they'll have risen by then, if not to £9,000 cap (with £6,000 for most) then probably higher, but I'm not complaining because Lib Dems have to sacrifics things, the Conservatives have to sacrifice things and people who moan about tax rises, cuts or anything like that are just ignorant for believing that the country can go without the extra money - we're in some ridiculous amount of debt, over £100bil as far as I'm aware, and we're not going to get out of it by spending more money on tertiary education.


PLUS...These costs are nothing compared to places like America. It's (depending on the Uni) £10-20k per year, so when people are moaning about a small rise up to £6k then they should shut up and realise how lucky they are that they're not living in a country where it costs two, three, four or five times that.

[Robbie]

In reply to that lovely rep you left me R0BB13G, you seem to have completely misunderstood what I said. Where in my post did I say Clegg and his party were in charge? No where. I stated Clegg should've known full well the consequences of going back on his word because he is the one who signed the pledge. Cameron didn't sign it, no one else made any promises concerning tuition fees, Clegg did. And let me ask you if it is so unrealistic then why did Clegg commit to it? He himself said that at the time he thought he could have put it into practice. Yes, it is a coalition, yes, things have to be sacrificed, but people have every right to be angry at Clegg for going back on his word. Of course it is going to be minor in your opinion, you're still in school. Come back in four years when tuition fees actually affect you. Oh and in case you're under some kind of assumption that I voted for the Lib Dems because of the tuition fee promise, you couldn't be more wrong. I voted UKIP.

Don't worry, he loves leaving pointless -rep. Left it for me and a few others because we disagree with him on things.

[Neversoft]

I never said you voted Lib Dem, I said people who did for the sole reason of Uni fees going down/not going up are stupid because if they did their sums...how could we possibly afford it? Labour bankrupted the country, spending MORE money on higher education won't get us anywhere.

And yes, he made the pledge, fair enough, but pledges are thrown out the window when a coalition Government comes in. They are not working as Lib Dems, and it was a Lib Dem pledge. They are working in a coalition, and it is not a feasible pledge therefore it is going to get the cut.

No matter whether Clegg went in with Labour, Tories or somehow won the election - he would've realised that this wouldn't work. People need to be realistic and actually start reading, working out their own calculations than listen to the student unions who just want cheap tuition.

And actually I am thinking about tuition fees. I go to Uni in 4 years - they'll have risen by then, if not to £9,000 cap (with £6,000 for most) then probably higher, but I'm not complaining because Lib Dems have to sacrifics things, the Conservatives have to sacrifice things and people who moan about tax rises, cuts or anything like that are just ignorant for believing that the country can go without the extra money - we're in some ridiculous amount of debt, over £100bil as far as I'm aware, and we're not going to get out of it by spending more money on tertiary education.


PLUS...These costs are nothing compared to places like America. It's (depending on the Uni) £10-20k per year, so when people are moaning about a small rise up to £6k then they should shut up and realise how lucky they are that they're not living in a country where it costs two, three, four or five times that.

Oh sorry, I didn't know you were Clegg's right hand man and knew exactly what he would have done in every given circumstance. Your assumptions are absurd, stop making them. The simple fact is that Clegg, knowing full well a coalition could be the result of the election, made a promise he thought to be realistic and later went back on his word, causing people (quite rightly) to be angry. If you can't wrap your head around that then God help you. Oh and I don't know how filthy rich you are, but for most students a rise to £6,000 is not small.