Student vandals turn second university fees protest violent

[Conservative,]

You don't get it. Yes, it isn't much compared to what some other countries pay but it is a lot to us.

We're too used to getting stuff for free. Maybe I should take back on what I said about getting rid of the NHS. Too many people depend on our welfare state. I prefer the American way - everything is privatized, you pay for everything, if you can't afford it sucks for you.

I hate how people are ignorant to the fact that people around the world face tuition fees several times greater than theirs yet they moan about an increase. It's not that much. I'm not rich - I will be taking out a student loan like everyone else here, but I have the common sense to realise, I'm ******* lucky to be able to go to University over here because it's so much cheaper than America or somewhere like that.

It may seem a lot to you - but what about paying £50k a year for Uni like in America? Now you realise it's not that much eh? Really - people need to learn that the welfare state is so beneficial to them - they take it for granted and protest about every minor change they don't like. They need to grow up and take some set backs. Because we're not made of money, this country is in so much debt it's unreal thanks to Labour. If Clegg goes back on his promises I really don't care if he gets the job of sorting out our economy done. So what if tuition fees rise. The whole point of my arguement is we're lucky to have them so low in the first place - if they were at £9k already and were going to go up, then yes, protest - that is excessive, but at £3k going up to (for the majority) £6k - there is nothing to protest about. Oh boo hoo, £9k extra of debt, how about £60k, £90k or £150k?

[FlyingJesus]

If I went to uni in 2 years time, I'd pay around 6-9k for a year. Again, 3 years of uni, so 18k-27k.

Not unless your parents are big earners, which as you're getting EMA I'm guessing isn't the case. You would be paying 3-6k as the only unis that will have 9k top fees will be forced to give huge handouts to the poorer (monetarily of course, not academically ) students which about balance it anyway

[Dean]

We're too used to getting stuff for free. Maybe I should take back on what I said about getting rid of the NHS. Too many people depend on our welfare state. I prefer the American way - everything is privatized, you pay for everything, if you can't afford it sucks for you.

I hate how people are ignorant to the fact that people around the world face tuition fees several times greater than theirs yet they moan about an increase. It's not that much. I'm not rich - I will be taking out a student loan like everyone else here, but I have the common sense to realise, I'm ******* lucky to be able to go to University over here because it's so much cheaper than America or somewhere like that.

It may seem a lot to you - but what about paying £50k a year for Uni like in America? Now you realise it's not that much eh? Really - people need to learn that the welfare state is so beneficial to them - they take it for granted and protest about every minor change they don't like. They need to grow up and take some set backs. Because we're not made of money, this country is in so much debt it's unreal thanks to Labour. If Clegg goes back on his promises I really don't care if he gets the job of sorting out our economy done. So what if tuition fees rise. The whole point of my arguement is we're lucky to have them so low in the first place - if they were at £9k already and were going to go up, then yes, protest - that is excessive, but at £3k going up to (for the majority) £6k - there is nothing to protest about. Oh boo hoo, £9k extra of debt, how about £60k, £90k or £150k?

£9k extra of debt is an absolutely huge amount for a person like myself. Unfortunately, since I no longer have a father, our household income is looking pretty crap (and I don't mean that lightly).

[Conservative,]

£9k extra of debt is an absolutely huge amount for a person like myself. Unfortunately, since I no longer have a father, our household income is looking pretty crap (and I don't mean that lightly).

You don't have to pay it off if you earn less than £21k a year though? So if your mother doesn't earn much (sorry to hear about your father), and you decide to go into a line of work that doesn't pay that much - you don't have to pay it off.

[FlyingJesus]

You don't have to pay it off if you earn less than £21k a year though? So if your mother doesn't earn much (sorry to hear about your father), and you decide to go into a line of work that doesn't pay that much - you don't have to pay it off.

Not strictly true - the loans you don't have to pay off until you're earning that much, but unless we give the banks another huge boost which isn't going to be popular then student loans won't increase proportionately I'd have thought

Check me out fighting on both sides

[Dean]

You don't have to pay it off if you earn less than £21k a year though? So if your mother doesn't earn much (sorry to hear about your father), and you decide to go into a line of work that doesn't pay that much - you don't have to pay it off.

What happens if I never ever manage to get a decent job that pays more than 21k? What happens if I DO manage to get a job that DOES pay more than 21k? Will I be better off earning less than 21k due to the amount of fees I'll have to pay back?

[FlyingJesus]

What happens if I never ever manage to get a decent job that pays more than 21k?

You never pay back the loans

What happens if I DO manage to get a job that DOES pay more than 21k?

Then you will have to begin repayments on the loans, which should be pretty easy if you're earning 21k

Will I be better off earning less than 21k due to the amount of fees I'll have to pay back?

Not likely unless you plan on living a very short while

[Dean]

You never pay back the loans



Then you will have to begin repayments on the loans, which should be pretty easy if you're earning 21k



Not likely unless you plan on living a very short while

I have met a lot of people around the age of 23-24 and they say that uni was a waste of time, merely because their degree isn't worth anything. They're employed in supermarkets and can't manage to find jobs and live with lots of debt. This is what worries me about uni tbh, especially if fees are due to rise.

[Conservative,]

You never pay back the loans



Then you will have to begin repayments on the loans, which should be pretty easy if you're earning 21k



Not likely unless you plan on living a very short while

What he said basically.

If you don't earn 21k you don't pay them back simple. And if you are earning 21k it's not that hard to pay them back, there is a minimum payback per month but I think it's fairly low so really there is no reason for people to not try and get a decent job purely because they're scared they won't be able to pay back their loans.

[The Don]

We're too used to getting stuff for free. Maybe I should take back on what I said about getting rid of the NHS. Too many people depend on our welfare state. I prefer the American way - everything is privatized, you pay for everything, if you can't afford it sucks for you.

I hate how people are ignorant to the fact that people around the world face tuition fees several times greater than theirs yet they moan about an increase. It's not that much. I'm not rich - I will be taking out a student loan like everyone else here, but I have the common sense to realise, I'm ******* lucky to be able to go to University over here because it's so much cheaper than America or somewhere like that.

It may seem a lot to you - but what about paying £50k a year for Uni like in America? Now you realise it's not that much eh? Really - people need to learn that the welfare state is so beneficial to them - they take it for granted and protest about every minor change they don't like. They need to grow up and take some set backs. Because we're not made of money, this country is in so much debt it's unreal thanks to Labour. If Clegg goes back on his promises I really don't care if he gets the job of sorting out our economy done. So what if tuition fees rise. The whole point of my arguement is we're lucky to have them so low in the first place - if they were at £9k already and were going to go up, then yes, protest - that is excessive, but at £3k going up to (for the majority) £6k - there is nothing to protest about. Oh boo hoo, £9k extra of debt, how about £60k, £90k or £150k?

Sorry, what? I thought you had a disability and rely on the nhs? Hypocrit much. It's not the fact it's only 9k extra debt, it's the fact that it's rising when nick clegg said he would support further education.

And it is a big deal robbie, it's double/trippled from what it use to be, that will stop a lot of people going to university and missing out on higher education meaning we will only have wealthy people going to university or people willing to get themselves into debt.