Tuition fee rises will not affect Welsh Students!

[Chippiewill]

She is saying that I said she was poorer. I didn't I said "if you" meaning anyone.

It's the fact you used the word poor, not that you called her poor.

[Hecktix]

But the problem is everyone thinks they need it. We need to empty the Universities a bit, not fill them up more.

I'd be all against the cuts if:

They got rid of pointless degrees such as "studies of aliens in american culture" or "golf course management".
The fees were as high as other world-leading countries.
more was done for those who had better grades; ie to those who got A*A*A* at A level got grants rather than poorer students who got CCC.

But those aren't happening so I'm for it.





She is saying that I said she was poorer. I didn't I said "if you" meaning anyone.

I fully agree that cutting back universities should be based upon subject and yes there are some ******* stupid subjects out there, yet in all fairness a lot of them haven't been targetted by these cuts.

Yes, universities who charge more have to offer more support but they are still losing more money then they are gaining. So that's unfair on the institutions.

[Conservative,]

It's the fact you used the word poor, not that you called her poor.

I like being called less able, not disabled. I've learned to live with it. That's just political correctness gone crazy imo.

And yes Oli I see where you're coming from now...sort of.


If I were able to, I'd cut out any ridiculous subjects and only have credible subjects eg;

Maths
Sciences
Computing
English
Languages
The arts (Drama, Music ect.)
And various others that may be required in a working environment (eg; economics).

Then put a cap on the number of students.

Then give grants to highly graded students.

Then............raise the fees. If it's still needed. I can see why people think it's wrong. Again I don't personally see it necessary to whine when the government won't do anything but I can see where you're coming from more clearly now. I just think you're protesting for the wrong reasons.

If people said "money is being spent on the wrong things". I agree. "Money is wasted on pointless courses". I agree. "Grants should be given to the more able students, not the less privileged" I agree. But people protesting solely due to the price going up without giving a reason is not what I agree with.

[Chippiewill]

I like being called less able, not disabled. I've learned to live with it. That's just political correctness gone crazy imo.

Poor is what you say when you believe you are better than someone. Underprivileged is what you say when you understand the situation they are in.

[Conservative,]

Poor is what you say when you believe you are better than someone. Underprivileged is what you say when you understand the situation they are in.

Who said I thought I'm better than her? Poor is the first word that comes into my mind when I'm talking of someone who is less lucky than me, underprivileged to me sounds like a snootier way of saying poor.

[Inseriousity.]

Poor is what you say when you believe you are better than someone. Underprivileged is what you say when you understand the situation they are in.

Then he might as well say poor cos he doesn't have a clue.

[Chippiewill]

Who said I thought I'm better than her? Poor is the first word that comes into my mind when I'm talking of someone who is less lucky than me, underprivileged to me sounds like a snootier way of saying poor.

Poor sounds to me like you think of the underprivileged as 'scum' and the way you have behaved in this thread certainly indicates so.

when I'm talking of someone who is less lucky than me

So:

a) Anyone with less wealth than you is technically 'less lucky' than you?
b) Luck has nothing to do with it.

Then he might as well say poor cos he doesn't have a clue.

Alas, this is true, perhaps I should give up?

[Conservative,]

Poor sounds to me like you think of the underprivileged as 'scum' and the way you have behaved in this thread certainly indicates so.


So:

a) Anyone with less wealth than you is technically 'less lucky' than you?
b) Luck has nothing to do with it.


Alas, this is true, perhaps I should give up?

Lucky as in I am lucky to have what I have?

I never said underprivileged was scum. I think people who complain about University fees without a reason (and I've given reasons I WOULD protest about in a few posts above...) are silly and especially if they feel they can't afford it - mainly because most of the people in the position will get grants.

And I may not have much of an idea how "underprivileged" people live, but then they don't know how disabled people live. So really, it may not seem like a direct link but it's similar in the fact that "underprivileged" and "less able" are similar and "poor" and "disabled" are similar.

Excuse me if I happened to use a term that I felt appropriate when describing no one in particulars financial situation?

[Chippiewill]

And I may not have much of an idea how "underprivileged" people live, but then they don't know how disabled people live. So really, it may not seem like a direct link but it's similar in the fact that "underprivileged" and "less able" are similar and "poor" and "disabled" are similar.

Actually the comparison is "underprivileged"/"disabled" and "poor"/"lame"

Excuse me if I happened to use a term that I felt appropriate when describing no one in particulars financial situation

Except that you were describing Shar's financial situation? You were at least implying it in the way you had worded that paragraph.

[Conservative,]

Actually the comparison is "underprivileged"/"disabled" and "poor"/"lame"


Except that you were describing Shar's financial situation? You were at least implying it in the way you had worded that paragraph.

I quoted her because I was replying to what she said. I said "IF you are poorer". I IF being a subjective word...only used if the person were to be in that situation, and "you" ok that may have implied her, but it was aimed generally at anyone reading.