Woman hangs dog after burning it because it chewed her Bible...

[Muct]

Edit: Muct you've pretty much had a complete U-Turn on what you were saying earlier so it's now as if you are seemingly agreeing with me :/

I'm agreeing with you because you're backing up my opinion and you don't even know it, so 'tis all good.

[Jordy]

You said they were born with a neutral mindset.
That means no intentions of being good OR bad.
I said they weren't born bad.
You said they were born neutral and it depended on their enviroment.
Backed up opinion. Thanks.
&That Hitler example just backs up my opinion even stronger, btw.

Well earlier you were saying they could be born bad..?

No, I don't agree that dogs are naturally aggressive, OK - I'll accept that maybe the odd dog could be different and the other way round, born bad and needs to be taught to be good - but dogs in general? No. I don't even agree that pitbutts or any other breed in general are born aggressive.

You're just changing what you're saying to make yourself look like you agree with me and others (the people who are right) when infact you were saying the complete opposite not long ago. Frankly this is messing with my head now and I cannot be doing with you. You could of just admitted you were wrong or just left the thread as it was but you opt to go round in circles and slowly change what you're saying so it doesn't look like you've "lost" an argument, which is frankly pathetic behaviour.

[Muct]

Well earlier you were saying they could be born bad..?



You're just changing what you're saying to make yourself look like you agree with me and others (the people who are right) when infact you were saying the complete opposite not long ago. Frankly this is messing with my head now and I cannot be doing with you. You could of just admitted you were wrong or just left the thread as it was but you opt to go round in circles and slowly change what you're saying so it doesn't look like you've "lost" an argument, which is frankly pathetic behaviour.

I said the odd rare one could be born bad, and that's true, some dogs could have disabilities maybe?
And I think you will find that the 'others' are like 1 or 2 more people, more people agree that dogs aren't born bad than with what you said ORIGINALLY said about them being born bad. If anybody is changing their opinion it's you..

[Jordy]

See my above post. They're so not born aggressive I've seen hundreds of puppies in my life time and you rarely get any aggressive dogs. If anything, it's the same with humans - different personalities that start from birth. Most baby animals are dependent, not vicious - if they were vicious (biting the hand that feeds you) then they're dooming themselves to death. It all depends on upbringing, and a Rottweiler or a Pit Bull is only vicious if brought up badly.

Someone mentioned man being vicious from the start. I've never seen a baby being put down for causing GBH, attempting to stab someone, biting with the intent to cause serious harm - play biting is popular amongst all of God's/Buddha's creatures, lion cubs play bite and immediately know they've done wrong if you react. it's part of training, if they witness pain then they know they've done wrong.

That's because the dogs and babies you've known have been brought up in lovings environment where they would not be aggressive. You don't have to look back far in history to see that dogs and humans are naturally aggressive creatures designed to kill in order to survive, we have not lost this instinct and we're all born with it. Babies naturally bite (part of the aggression i'm talking about), obviously it doesn't cause "serious harm" or "GBH" at this stage because frankly they're pathetic and not strong enough to harm anyone. They're told off for doing this and when they grow older don't bite or hurt people as they were taught as babies it's wrong. The same applies to dogs and any other animals.

Everything is naturally aggressive in order to survive. Things cannot be born good or bad. Judging by the environment they are brought up in, they will either continue to be aggressive, and therefore "bad" or non-aggressive and therefore "good". This is not determined at birth however.

[Muct]

That's because the dogs and babies you've known have been brought up in lovings environment where they would not be aggressive. You don't have to look back far in history to see that dogs and humans are naturally aggressive creatures designed to kill in order to survive, we have not lost this instinct and we're all born with it. Babies naturally bite (part of the aggression i'm talking about), obviously it doesn't cause "serious harm" or "GBH" at this stage because frankly they're pathetic and not strong enough to harm anyone. They're told off for doing this and when they grow older don't bite or hurt people as they were taught as babies it's wrong. The same applies to dogs and any other animals.

Everything is naturally aggressive in order to survive. Things cannot be born good or bad. Judging by the environment they are brought up in, they will either continue to be aggressive, and therefore "bad" or non-aggressive and therefore "good". This is not determined at birth however.

Curiousity. Teething.
There are explanations about the babies biting at random times, you know.

[Jordy]

I said the odd rare one could be born bad, and that's true, some dogs could have disabilities maybe?
And I think you will find that the 'others' are like 1 or 2 more people, more people agree that dogs aren't born bad than with what you said ORIGINALLY said about them being born bad. If anybody is changing their opinion it's you..

Now you're just clutching at straws. I am the person who is saying dogs aren't born bad, I have said all along they are born neutral (unlike some!).

Find me a post where I said dogs are born bad or any other post where I've changed my opinion during this thread?

[The Don]

Good and bad is an opinion, and animals are born neutral, however they can be agressive in certain cirumstances and obviously all dogs are different so some can become agressive in the smallest circumstances such as an owner patting it on the head, others may become agressive after being beaten. However dogs aren't bad or good, they simply follow their natuarl instincts. Some breeds of dogs, such as the pitball, or staff can be agressive and not suitable for homes which is the same with breeds such as poodles and dolmations, it all comes down to the enviroment the dogs are brought up in, however SOME breeds such as rotteweilers and staffs and pitt's are more capable of doing damage because of the size of their teeth, body and claws, and therefore maybe shouldn't be allowed. (Btw, completly neutral here, i own a staff btw :L)

[Muct]

Now you're just clutching at straws. I am the person who is saying dogs aren't born bad, I have said all along they are born neutral (unlike some!).

Find me a post where I said dogs are born bad or any other post where I've changed my opinion during this thread?

Holdddddddddddd on... You came in like 2 pages ago - I've been saying dogs aren't born bad all the way through this..

[Jordy]

Holdddddddddddd on... You came in like 2 pages ago - I've been saying dogs aren't born bad all the way through this..

Well then don't accuse me of saying I've changed my opinion or said something I haven't.

The Don has also said exactly what I've been saying throughout this thread, thank-you.

[Zak]

Just because it chewed a book that makes no sense at all, unless you believe in miracles that is.

What a physco, dogs have rights too.